Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?

[stephen]

Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?

Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.

There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.

Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Revelation:

Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.

The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.

Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
said:

John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.

Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.

That’s not what Jesus said above.

Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
ceremonial law – Deut 6:4-5 and Lev 19:18:

Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

[Robert]

Post by stephen
Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves:

Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.

Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 

Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}

Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch

At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

[duke]

Post by Robert

Post by stephen
Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.

Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[Robert]

Post by duke

Post by Robert

Post by stephen
Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

And as to worry, you won't. When the true Born Again Saints of the
real Church of God are raised up from the dead, and those that are
alive will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye and all brought
straight into heaven. That is when you will have to worry, or maybe
not. The very first war of those seven years will take place and if
you are lucky you might survive, only to face the troubles that are to
come. But only if you repent from the religion that has you bound and
turn to Jesus, the real Jesus, for salvation. At that time you will
know that the church never saved you and never could, unless you yield
to the false prophet that side with the antichrist.

Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

[PATRICK]

Post by Robert
That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

[Robert]

Post by PATRICK

Post by Robert
That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.

Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

[PATRICK]

Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK

Post by Robert
That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

[duke]

Post by PATRICK

Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK

Post by Robert
That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[Robert]

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Post by PATRICK

Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK

Post by Robert
That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

[duke]

Post by Robert

Post by duke

Post by PATRICK

Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK

Post by Robert
That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Jesus demonstrated resurrection of the body for following God and he
demonstrated ascension to the heavenly kingdom. Revelations is a repeat from
the OT where Jews thought only of returning to the earth.

Ya just gotta understand what scripture is saying. You protest_ers are bad at
understanding that.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[Robert]

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Post by Robert

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Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK

Post by Robert
That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Jesus demonstrated resurrection of the body for following God and he
demonstrated ascension to the heavenly kingdom. Revelations is a repeat from
the OT where Jews thought only of returning to the earth.

Sorry it isn't. But Daniel does cover a lot of what is there, minus
some detail.

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Ya just gotta understand what scripture is saying. You protest_ers are bad at
understanding that.

LOL

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the dukester, American-American

Shame, all this time wasted on the RCC when it could have been applied
to Jesus and his Father.

[duke]

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That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Jesus demonstrated resurrection of the body for following God and he
demonstrated ascension to the heavenly kingdom. Revelations is a repeat from
the OT where Jews thought only of returning to the earth.

Sorry it isn't. But Daniel does cover a lot of what is there, minus
some detail.

Yep, those old bones rose to God. Those were the Jewish dead who died in the
righteousness of God - the old covenant standard. In moses time, those bit by
snakes were saved from physically dying by looking up at the pole.

By man turning to Jesus on the cross, man is save spiritually.

You just can't grasp the connection.

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Post by duke
Ya just gotta understand what scripture is saying. You protest_ers are bad at
understanding that.

Shame, all this time wasted on the RCC when it could have been applied
to Jesus and his Father.

Just as long as I's not foolish like you.

the dukester, American-American

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That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Jesus demonstrated resurrection of the body for following God and he
demonstrated ascension to the heavenly kingdom. Revelations is a repeat from
the OT where Jews thought only of returning to the earth.

Sorry it isn't. But Daniel does cover a lot of what is there, minus
some detail.

Yep, those old bones rose to God. Those were the Jewish dead who died in the
righteousness of God - the old covenant standard. In moses time, those bit by
snakes were saved from physically dying by looking up at the pole.

if all those Jews saw was the pole and did not raise their eyes to the
snake, then they were all dead men. The same thing with current men
who see only the cross, they too are all dead men. The redeemed focus
their eyes on Jesus, the Messiah.

Your are so, so wrong. the old bones rising up, etc. Is the nation of
Israel being restored, and it is from the book of Ezekiel.

Post by duke
By man turning to Jesus on the cross, man is save spiritually.
You just can't grasp the connection.

Because you are clueless about what you speak, it is by faith in the
risen Christ that we are saved, and our sins washed away by his shed
blood. We will be saved body soul and spirit in the last day of the
gentiles.

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Post by duke
Ya just gotta understand what scripture is saying. You protest_ers are bad at
understanding that.

Shame, all this time wasted on the RCC when it could have been applied
to Jesus and his Father.

Just as long as I's not foolish like you.
the dukester, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Jesus demonstrated resurrection of the body for following God and he
demonstrated ascension to the heavenly kingdom. Revelations is a repeat from
the OT where Jews thought only of returning to the earth.

Sorry it isn't. But Daniel does cover a lot of what is there, minus
some detail.

Yep, those old bones rose to God. Those were the Jewish dead who died in the
righteousness of God - the old covenant standard. In moses time, those bit by
snakes were saved from physically dying by looking up at the pole.

if all those Jews saw was the pole and did not raise their eyes to the
snake, then they were all dead men. The same thing with current men
who see only the cross, they too are all dead men. The redeemed focus
their eyes on Jesus, the Messiah.

You just don't grasp the prophetic message. This is a major correlation between
prophesy of the OT and then certified in the NT that Jesus is Lord.

Men looked up to the snake on the pole and were thus saved physically from snake
bite. Men looked up to Jesus on the Cross tied the spiritual message to the
physical message of the OT.

Post by Robert
Your are so, so wrong. the old bones rising up, etc. Is the nation of
Israel being restored, and it is from the book of Ezekiel.

The Jews knew of no heaven. If they accept resurrection, it was back to the
earth. Those dry bones were the righteous dead raised to new live in the
redemption given by the cross which redeemed all human life past, present and
future..

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Post by duke
By man turning to Jesus on the cross, man is save spiritually.
You just can't grasp the connection.

Because you are clueless about what you speak, it is by faith in the
risen Christ that we are saved, and our sins washed away by his shed
blood. We will be saved body soul and spirit in the last day of the
gentiles.

Only your past sins and your inputted sin in Adam and Eve. If you knew
scripture, you're know that we were forgiven for sins committed under the old
covenant. That leaves us totally exposed for our lives in the flesh, for which
Jesus said we would be judged.

the dukester, American-American

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Pope Paul VI
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That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Jesus demonstrated resurrection of the body for following God and he
demonstrated ascension to the heavenly kingdom. Revelations is a repeat from
the OT where Jews thought only of returning to the earth.

Sorry it isn't. But Daniel does cover a lot of what is there, minus
some detail.

Yep, those old bones rose to God. Those were the Jewish dead who died in the
righteousness of God - the old covenant standard. In moses time, those bit by
snakes were saved from physically dying by looking up at the pole.

if all those Jews saw was the pole and did not raise their eyes to the
snake, then they were all dead men. The same thing with current men
who see only the cross, they too are all dead men. The redeemed focus
their eyes on Jesus, the Messiah.

You just don't grasp the prophetic message. This is a major correlation between
prophesy of the OT and then certified in the NT that Jesus is Lord.
Men looked up to the snake on the pole and were thus saved physically from snake
bite. Men looked up to Jesus on the Cross tied the spiritual message to the
physical message of the OT.

You ignorant bone head who cannot read nor understand English, to look
at the pole, or to look at the cross, which is what you said is all
that was necessary for healing of salvation was wrong, and I said it
clearly, one was to view the snake in Moses Day and to see Jesus in
our day, now you are essentially saying the same thing I did, but
claim you knew it all along, and now I am wrong. Just what God said in
the latter days men would be twisting things around.

Your end result is being a satanic troll.

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Post by Robert
Your are so, so wrong. the old bones rising up, etc. Is the nation of
Israel being restored, and it is from the book of Ezekiel.

The Jews knew of no heaven. If they accept resurrection, it was back to the
earth. Those dry bones were the righteous dead raised to new live in the
redemption given by the cross which redeemed all human life past, present and
future..

One sample only will be given here. To show your error.

Gen 28:12  And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth,
and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God
ascending and descending on it. 
Gen 28:13  And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the
LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon
thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; 
Gen 28:14  And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou
shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north,
and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families
of the earth be blessed. 
Gen 28:15  And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all
places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land;
for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken
to thee of. 

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Post by duke
By man turning to Jesus on the cross, man is save spiritually.
You just can't grasp the connection.

Because you are clueless about what you speak, it is by faith in the
risen Christ that we are saved, and our sins washed away by his shed
blood. We will be saved body soul and spirit in the last day of the
gentiles.

Only your past sins and your inputted sin in Adam and Eve. If you knew
scripture, you're know that we were forgiven for sins committed under the old
covenant. That leaves us totally exposed for our lives in the flesh, for which
Jesus said we would be judged.

You ignorant oaf, gentiles were never under the Old Covenant, and
could never commit sin by its standards. No one Jew or Gentile is
under the new covenant until they place their faith in Jesus Christ
and are Born Again.

Jesus never said he died for a partial forgiveness, but that he paid
the Price for ALL sin. No lying minion of satan can negate that. Jesus
saves people while they are yet living in sin, the more sinful one is
the more grace is given.

God does not input as you are fond of saying erroneously, and most
likely on purpose. Once saved and sin is no longer imputed to our
account, but His Account because the price has already been paid and
we are not held ransom by anyone, any accuser nor and religious
church. We have been RANSOMED! You too can join the family of the
ransomed as long as you do it before death. There is no second chance.

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the dukester, American-American
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Who bows before Mary.

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That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Jesus demonstrated resurrection of the body for following God and he
demonstrated ascension to the heavenly kingdom. Revelations is a repeat from
the OT where Jews thought only of returning to the earth.

Sorry it isn't. But Daniel does cover a lot of what is there, minus
some detail.

Yep, those old bones rose to God. Those were the Jewish dead who died in the
righteousness of God - the old covenant standard. In moses time, those bit by
snakes were saved from physically dying by looking up at the pole.

if all those Jews saw was the pole and did not raise their eyes to the
snake, then they were all dead men. The same thing with current men
who see only the cross, they too are all dead men. The redeemed focus
their eyes on Jesus, the Messiah.
Your are so, so wrong. the old bones rising up, etc. Is the nation of
Israel being restored, and it is from the book of Ezekiel.

Post by duke
By man turning to Jesus on the cross, man is save spiritually.
You just can't grasp the connection.

Because you are clueless about what you speak, it is by faith in the
risen Christ that we are saved, and our sins washed away by his shed
blood. We will be saved body soul and spirit in the last day of the
gentiles.

And James 2:26 makes it very clear. Faith without deeds is dead faith. Your
dead faith cannot save you.

MASS:
Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).

SACRAMENTS:
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14

PAPACY:
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)

PURGATORY:
1 Cor 3:10-15

FAITH (without deeds is dead faith):
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.

Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.



the dukester, American-American

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That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Revelations is a revisit of the OT. The Jews knew nothing of the heavenly
kindgom, only return to the earth.

the dukester, American-American

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That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Revelations is a revisit of the OT. The Jews knew nothing of the heavenly
kindgom, only return to the earth.
the dukester, American-American

Just another statement generated out of ignorance.

[duke]

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Post by Robert
That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Oh, oh.
the dukester, American-American

Shows your ignorance, Earl.

Revelations is a revisit of the OT. The Jews knew nothing of the heavenly
kindgom, only return to the earth.
the dukester, American-American

Just another statement generated out of ignorance.

Just another statement generated by a gorilla. Gosh this is fun.

the dukester, American-American

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That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Mat 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since
the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 
Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no
flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be
shortened.

RED LETTER's no less.

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That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

When do we expect Jacob to begin his seven years of trouble?
I am asking nicely.....

When the church is raptured, also called the end of the time for the
Gentiles.
Jacobs's troubles is found in the OT and is directly related to the
Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus and mentioned in the NT.

I couldn't find anyplace where Jesus spoke of the Great Tribulation. I
saw minor references to it by Paul in 2 letters, and of course
Revelation speaks of it.... but nothing from Jesus.

Mat 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since
the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 
Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no
flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be
shortened.
RED LETTER's no less.

Thanks.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him

Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Post by Robert
And as to worry, you won't. When the true Born Again Saints of the
real Church of God are raised up from the dead, and those that are
alive will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye and all brought
straight into heaven. That is when you will have to worry, or maybe
not. The very first war of those seven years will take place and if
you are lucky you might survive, only to face the troubles that are to
come. But only if you repent from the religion that has you bound and
turn to Jesus, the real Jesus, for salvation. At that time you will
know that the church never saved you and never could, unless you yield
to the false prophet that side with the antichrist.

Well, you refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus, so I suspect it is you
following the antichrist.

MASS:
Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).

SACRAMENTS:
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14

PAPACY:
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)

PURGATORY:
1 Cor 3:10-15

FAITH (without deeds is dead faith):
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.

Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

Post by Robert
Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.


the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[Mattb.]

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Post by Robert

Post by duke

Post by Robert

Post by stephen
Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Post by duke

Post by Robert
And as to worry, you won't. When the true Born Again Saints of the
real Church of God are raised up from the dead, and those that are
alive will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye and all brought
straight into heaven. That is when you will have to worry, or maybe
not. The very first war of those seven years will take place and if
you are lucky you might survive, only to face the troubles that are to
come. But only if you repent from the religion that has you bound and
turn to Jesus, the real Jesus, for salvation. At that time you will
know that the church never saved you and never could, unless you yield
to the false prophet that side with the antichrist.

Well, you refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus, so I suspect it is you
following the antichrist.
Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

Post by Robert
Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.
the dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[PATRICK]

Post by Mattb.

Post by duke
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Do you really think that the best use of your time should be spent
being a troll?

[Mattb.]

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by duke
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Do you really think that the best use of your time should be spent
being a troll?

Here is Patrick Barker another Pedo loving Catholic. Glad you two are
a minority within the RCC. Fundie like you two really are making the
RCC as a whole look bad.

[PATRICK]

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by duke
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Do you really think that the best use of your time should be spent
being a troll?

Here is Patrick Barker another Pedo loving Catholic. Glad you two are
a minority within the RCC. Fundie like you two really are making the
RCC as a whole look bad.

<Yawn>
Grow up.

[Mattb.]

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by duke
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Do you really think that the best use of your time should be spent
being a troll?

Here is Patrick Barker another Pedo loving Catholic. Glad you two are
a minority within the RCC. Fundie like you two really are making the
RCC as a whole look bad.

<Yawn>
Grow up.

Looks like Patrick is cornered again.

[Mattb.]

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by duke
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Do you really think that the best use of your time should be spent
being a troll?

I'm not at home and am doing what needs be done. Making good use of
my time.

[PATRICK]

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by duke
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Do you really think that the best use of your time should be spent
being a troll?

I'm not at home and am doing what needs be done. Making good use of
my time.

That is good.
Hopefully it for the good and the glory of God.

[Mattb.]

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by duke
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Do you really think that the best use of your time should be spent
being a troll?

I'm not at home and am doing what needs be done. Making good use of
my time.

That is good.
Hopefully it for the good and the glory of God.

It is good the other is a matter of opinion.

[duke]

Post by Mattb.

Post by duke

Post by Robert

Post by duke

Post by Robert

Post by stephen
Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

Post by Mattb.

Post by duke
Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

Post by Robert
Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

the dukester, American-American

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Pope Paul VI
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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

the dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

Doesn't matter. Every one of us is judged for ourselves. If you fail, you fail
right beside all pedo priests.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

the dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

Doesn't matter. Every one of us is judged for ourselves. If you fail, you fail
right beside all pedo priests.

True. Yet failure isn't as easy as the
RCC claims or some of the more militant Christian churches.

.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

Doesn't matter. Every one of us is judged for ourselves. If you fail, you fail
right beside all pedo priests.

True. Yet failure isn't as easy as the
RCC claims or some of the more militant Christian churches.

Then you don't know and prefer to take your chances. Your ugliness on the ng
reveals that.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

Doesn't matter. Every one of us is judged for ourselves. If you fail, you fail
right beside all pedo priests.

True. Yet failure isn't as easy as the
RCC claims or some of the more militant Christian churches.

Then you don't know and prefer to take your chances. Your ugliness on the ng
reveals that.

#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

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Pope Paul VI
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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

Doesn't matter. Every one of us is judged for ourselves. If you fail, you fail
right beside all pedo priests.

True. Yet failure isn't as easy as the
RCC claims or some of the more militant Christian churches.

Then you don't know and prefer to take your chances. Your ugliness on the ng
reveals that.

#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

I don't judge you. But I am called to admonish you, and that takes observation.
You started this filth long ago. I'm here to discuss, but you aren't.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

Doesn't matter. Every one of us is judged for ourselves. If you fail, you fail
right beside all pedo priests.

True. Yet failure isn't as easy as the
RCC claims or some of the more militant Christian churches.

Then you don't know and prefer to take your chances. Your ugliness on the ng
reveals that.

#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

I don't judge you. But I am called to admonish you, and that takes observation.
You started this filth long ago. I'm here to discuss, but you aren't.

You do know most your post in any NG is to mock people.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

Doesn't matter. Every one of us is judged for ourselves. If you fail, you fail
right beside all pedo priests.

True. Yet failure isn't as easy as the
RCC claims or some of the more militant Christian churches.

Then you don't know and prefer to take your chances. Your ugliness on the ng
reveals that.

#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

I don't judge you. But I am called to admonish you, and that takes observation.
You started this filth long ago. I'm here to discuss, but you aren't.

You do know most your post in any NG is to mock people.

Not so. I mock their foolish beliefs.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

Doesn't matter. Every one of us is judged for ourselves. If you fail, you fail
right beside all pedo priests.

True. Yet failure isn't as easy as the
RCC claims or some of the more militant Christian churches.

Then you don't know and prefer to take your chances. Your ugliness on the ng
reveals that.

#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

I don't judge you. But I am called to admonish you, and that takes observation.
You started this filth long ago. I'm here to discuss, but you aren't.

You do know most your post in any NG is to mock people.

Not so. I mock their foolish beliefs.

Well that is why I mock you beliefs. They have a history of evil and
are made up BS in the dogma.

You say Jesus used the word catholic and yet can't produce it from the
Bible. Until you can I consider it a false teachings from a false
church.

[PATRICK]

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#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

I don't judge you. But I am called to admonish you, and that takes observation.
You started this filth long ago. I'm here to discuss, but you aren't.

You do know most your post in any NG is to mock people.

Not so. I mock their foolish beliefs.

Well that is why I mock you beliefs. They have a history of evil and
are made up BS in the dogma.

Are you TRYING to say that my beliefs have a history of evil?
And my beliefs are made up BS in the dogma?

Would you care to explain how beliefs are evil?

[Mattb.]

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#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

I don't judge you. But I am called to admonish you, and that takes observation.
You started this filth long ago. I'm here to discuss, but you aren't.

You do know most your post in any NG is to mock people.

Not so. I mock their foolish beliefs.

Well that is why I mock you beliefs. They have a history of evil and
are made up BS in the dogma.

Are you TRYING to say that my beliefs have a history of evil?

They do/did under many Popes and false teachers and prophets. Not
your fault. Paganism and Satan are deep into any RCC fundie.

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And my beliefs are made up BS in the dogma?

Yes Purgatory alone proves that.

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Would you care to explain how beliefs are evil?

Your defense of evil. Can you explain how burning people alive is not
evil???

[PATRICK]

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#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

I don't judge you. But I am called to admonish you, and that takes observation.
You started this filth long ago. I'm here to discuss, but you aren't.

You do know most your post in any NG is to mock people.

Not so. I mock their foolish beliefs.

Well that is why I mock you beliefs. They have a history of evil and
are made up BS in the dogma.

Are you TRYING to say that my beliefs have a history of evil?

They do/did under many Popes and false teachers and prophets. Not
your fault. Paganism and Satan are deep into any RCC fundie.

I don't know any Catholic fundy.

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And my beliefs are made up BS in the dogma?

Yes Purgatory alone proves that.

Purgatory has a basis in scripture.
I've gone over this before with you.

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Post by PATRICK
Would you care to explain how beliefs are evil?

Your defense of evil. Can you explain how burning people alive is not
evil???

I do not defend evil people.
I certainly know and accept that evil people have existed throughout
history. Why do you defend the actions of Indians when they scalped
white women and children? Your defense is evil.

[Mattb.]

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#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

I don't judge you. But I am called to admonish you, and that takes observation.
You started this filth long ago. I'm here to discuss, but you aren't.

You do know most your post in any NG is to mock people.

Not so. I mock their foolish beliefs.

Well that is why I mock you beliefs. They have a history of evil and
are made up BS in the dogma.

Are you TRYING to say that my beliefs have a history of evil?

They do/did under many Popes and false teachers and prophets. Not
your fault. Paganism and Satan are deep into any RCC fundie.

I don't know any Catholic fundy.

Well seems you have a problem with looking at yourself. Don't blame
you, ugly view.

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And my beliefs are made up BS in the dogma?

Yes Purgatory alone proves that.

Purgatory has a basis in scripture.
I've gone over this before with you.

No you post some BS saying it does but really it doesn't. Face it
your RCC needed to add the fear factor and use it to increase profits,
Did good paid for St. Peter's Basilica sad a building so beautiful
was built on deceit and lies.

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Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK
Would you care to explain how beliefs are evil?

Your defense of evil. Can you explain how burning people alive is not
evil???

I do not defend evil people.

You defend Duke. You defend the Saint of genocide also.

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I certainly know and accept that evil people have existed throughout
history. Why do you defend the actions of Indians when they scalped
white women and children? Your defense is evil.

Sorry do not defend that. Also they did not do that in the name of
God under a pretend 'Vicar of Christ'. You RCC pretending to be doing
God's work killed how many or had it done?

[PATRICK]

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#1 you are just as ugly Duke just lies more. You are also taking
your chances as you will be judged as you judge others.

I don't judge you. But I am called to admonish you, and that takes observation.
You started this filth long ago. I'm here to discuss, but you aren't.

You do know most your post in any NG is to mock people.

Not so. I mock their foolish beliefs.

Well that is why I mock you beliefs. They have a history of evil and
are made up BS in the dogma.

Are you TRYING to say that my beliefs have a history of evil?

They do/did under many Popes and false teachers and prophets. Not
your fault. Paganism and Satan are deep into any RCC fundie.

I don't know any Catholic fundy.

Well seems you have a problem with looking at yourself. Don't blame
you, ugly view.

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Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK
And my beliefs are made up BS in the dogma?

Yes Purgatory alone proves that.

Purgatory has a basis in scripture.
I've gone over this before with you.

No you post some BS saying it does but really it doesn't. Face it
your RCC needed to add the fear factor and use it to increase profits,
Did good paid for St. Peter's Basilica sad a building so beautiful
was built on deceit and lies.

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Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK
Would you care to explain how beliefs are evil?

Your defense of evil. Can you explain how burning people alive is not
evil???

I do not defend evil people.

You defend Duke. You defend the Saint of genocide also.

Post by PATRICK
I certainly know and accept that evil people have existed throughout
history. Why do you defend the actions of Indians when they scalped
white women and children? Your defense is evil.

Sorry do not defend that. Also they did not do that in the name of
God under a pretend 'Vicar of Christ'. You RCC pretending to be doing
God's work killed how many or had it done?

Did I answer this yet?
I just don't remember.

[PATRICK]

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Post by Mattb.

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Are you TRYING to say that my beliefs have a history of evil?

They do/did under many Popes and false teachers and prophets. Not
your fault. Paganism and Satan are deep into any RCC fundie.

I don't know any Catholic fundy.

Well seems you have a problem with looking at yourself. Don't blame
you, ugly view.

I don't know any Catholic fundy

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Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK
And my beliefs are made up BS in the dogma?

Yes Purgatory alone proves that.

Purgatory has a basis in scripture.
I've gone over this before with you.

No you post some BS saying it does but really it doesn't. Face it
your RCC needed to add the fear factor and use it to increase profits,
Did good paid for St. Peter's Basilica sad a building so beautiful
was built on deceit and lies.

I posted the references from the Bible in a different post today. Look
for it.

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Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK
Would you care to explain how beliefs are evil?

Your defense of evil. Can you explain how burning people alive is not
evil???

I do not defend evil people.

You defend Duke. You defend the Saint of genocide also.

Post by PATRICK
I certainly know and accept that evil people have existed throughout
history. Why do you defend the actions of Indians when they scalped
white women and children? Your defense is evil.

Sorry do not defend that.

But you seem proud of your heritage.
The Lakota murdered and scalped many white women and children.
Would you like references again?

Post by Mattb.
Also they did not do that in the name of
God under a pretend 'Vicar of Christ'. You RCC pretending to be doing
God's work killed how many or had it done?

The RCC killed no one.
Civil authorities killed many using religion as its excuse.
Why did the lakota scalp women and children?

[Mattb.]

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Post by Mattb.

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Are you TRYING to say that my beliefs have a history of evil?

They do/did under many Popes and false teachers and prophets. Not
your fault. Paganism and Satan are deep into any RCC fundie.

I don't know any Catholic fundy.

Well seems you have a problem with looking at yourself. Don't blame
you, ugly view.

I don't know any Catholic fundy

Look in a strong mirror.

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Post by Mattb.

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And my beliefs are made up BS in the dogma?

Yes Purgatory alone proves that.

Purgatory has a basis in scripture.
I've gone over this before with you.

No you post some BS saying it does but really it doesn't. Face it
your RCC needed to add the fear factor and use it to increase profits,
Did good paid for St. Peter's Basilica sad a building so beautiful
was built on deceit and lies.

I posted the references from the Bible in a different post today. Look
for it.

You posted some Catholic Bullshit. It is a con they made up for the
stupid.

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Would you care to explain how beliefs are evil?

Your defense of evil. Can you explain how burning people alive is not
evil???

I do not defend evil people.

You defend Duke. You defend the Saint of genocide also.

Post by PATRICK
I certainly know and accept that evil people have existed throughout
history. Why do you defend the actions of Indians when they scalped
white women and children? Your defense is evil.

Sorry do not defend that.

But you seem proud of your heritage.
The Lakota murdered and scalped many white women and children.
Would you like references again?

Go ahead. Yet they didn't do it in Gods name. You ancestors as well
as Duke practiced cannibalism. Yet the RCC claims to be Christ Church
it should be and have been better. Murder and Pedophiles in Jesus
church? Not if it were really Jesus church.

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Post by Mattb.
Also they did not do that in the name of
God under a pretend 'Vicar of Christ'. You RCC pretending to be doing
God's work killed how many or had it done?

The RCC killed no one.

Liar.

Post by PATRICK
Civil authorities killed many using religion as its excuse.

Was the leader at the time a Pope?

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Why did the lakota scalp women and children?

Don't know if they did. Where did they learn of that practice?
Boston maybe?

[PATRICK]

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Are you TRYING to say that my beliefs have a history of evil?

They do/did under many Popes and false teachers and prophets. Not
your fault. Paganism and Satan are deep into any RCC fundie.

I don't know any Catholic fundy.

Well seems you have a problem with looking at yourself. Don't blame
you, ugly view.

I don't know any Catholic fundy

Look in a strong mirror.

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And my beliefs are made up BS in the dogma?

Yes Purgatory alone proves that.

Purgatory has a basis in scripture.
I've gone over this before with you.

No you post some BS saying it does but really it doesn't. Face it
your RCC needed to add the fear factor and use it to increase profits,
Did good paid for St. Peter's Basilica sad a building so beautiful
was built on deceit and lies.

I posted the references from the Bible in a different post today. Look
for it.

You posted some Catholic Bullshit. It is a con they made up for the
stupid.

Stop asking then.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

God judges priests just like he does you.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

the dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

God judges priests just like he does you.

That is what the Bible says. So your point is what he also judges
Churches and false teachers and prophets.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

God judges priests just like he does you.

That is what the Bible says. So your point is what he also judges
Churches and false teachers and prophets.

Everybody.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

God judges priests just like he does you.

That is what the Bible says. So your point is what he also judges
Churches and false teachers and prophets.

Everybody.

True and I'm betting more than a few Popes will be burning. Suspect
you and your kind as well.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

God judges priests just like he does you.

That is what the Bible says. So your point is what he also judges
Churches and false teachers and prophets.

Everybody.

True and I'm betting more than a few Popes will be burning. Suspect
you and your kind as well.

I doubt very seriously you know very much about the Pope.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

God judges priests just like he does you.

That is what the Bible says. So your point is what he also judges
Churches and false teachers and prophets.

Everybody.

True and I'm betting more than a few Popes will be burning. Suspect
you and your kind as well.

I doubt very seriously you know very much about the Pope.

Enough.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

God judges priests just like he does you.

That is what the Bible says. So your point is what he also judges
Churches and false teachers and prophets.

Everybody.

True and I'm betting more than a few Popes will be burning. Suspect
you and your kind as well.

I doubt very seriously you know very much about the Pope.

Enough.

I don't see you knowing much of anything about the POpe.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

God judges priests just like he does you.

That is what the Bible says. So your point is what he also judges
Churches and false teachers and prophets.

Everybody.

True and I'm betting more than a few Popes will be burning. Suspect
you and your kind as well.

I doubt very seriously you know very much about the Pope.

Enough.

I don't see you knowing much of anything about the POpe.

Well the current Pope is a freak and racist. I mean making a
genocidal asshole into a saint. Pure 100% evil.

Post by duke
the dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[PATRICK]

Post by Mattb.
Well the current Pope is a freak and racist. I mean making a
genocidal asshole into a saint. Pure 100% evil.

Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M. (November 24, 1713 – August 28, 1784)
was a Roman Catholic Spanish priest and friar of the Franciscan Order
who founded a mission in Baja California and the first nine of 21
Spanish missions in California from San Diego to San Francisco, in
what was then Alta California in the Province of Las Californias, New
Spain.

Serra was beatified by Pope John Paul II on September 25, 1988, in
Vatican City. Pope Francis canonized him on September 23, 2015, at the
Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in
Washington, D.C., during his first visit to the United States.[4]
Because of Serra's recorded acts of piety combined with his missionary
efforts, he was granted the posthumous title Apostle of California.

Observing the mission and its neighboring huts sparsely protected, a
group of over 20 Indians attacked with bows and arrows. The four
remaining soldiers, aided by the blacksmith and carpenter, returned
fire with muskets and pistols. Serra, clutching a Jesus figurine in
one hand and a Mary figurine in the other, prayed to God to save both
sides from casualties. The blacksmith, Chacón, ran about the Spanish
huts unprotected by a leather jacket, shouting: "Long live the faith
of Jesus Christ and may these dogs, enemies of that faith, die!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jun%C3%ADpero_Serra

, a group of Indians arrived at the mission carrying a naked baby boy.
The Spaniards interpreted their sign language as a desire to have the
boy baptized. Serra covered the child with some clothing and asked the
corporal of the guard to sponsor the baptism. Dressed in surplice and
stole, Serra read the initial prayers and performed the ceremonies to
prepare for baptism. But just as he lifted the baptismal shell, filled
it with water and readied to pour it over the baby's head, some
Indians grabbed the child from the corporal's arms and ran away to
their village in fear. The other Kumeyaay visitors followed them,
laughing and jeering. The frustrated Serra never forgot this incident;
recounting it years later brought tears to his eyes.

The missions were primarily designed to bring the Catholic faith to
the native peoples. Other aims were to integrate the neophytes into
Spanish society, to provide a framework for organizing the natives
into a productive workforce in support of new extensions of Spanish
power, and to train them to take over ownership and management of the
land. As head of the order in California, Serra not only dealt with
church officials, but also with Spanish officials in Mexico City and
with the local military officers who commanded the nearby garrison.

Franciscans saw the Indians as children of God who deserved the
opportunity for salvation, and would make good Christians. Converted
Indians were segregated from Indians who had not yet embraced
Christianity, lest there be a relapse. To understand the impetus
behind missionary efforts in the 18th century, one must take into
account the era's views on the salvation of unbaptized infants. While
there were many controversies in the Church's history, the fate of
unbaptized infants was never a serious point of contention, for which
reason the Church to this day has not deemed it necessary to settle
the issue definitively.

For Serra and his companions, therefore, instructing the natives so
that their children might also be saved would have most likely been a
great concern. From this came the determined efforts of missionaries
to the detriment of native cultures, which few today would
countenance.[75] Discipline was strict, and the converts were not
allowed to come and go at will. Serra successfully resisted the
efforts of Governor Felipe de Neve to bring Enlightenment policies to
missionary work, because those policies would have subverted the
economic and religious goals of the Franciscans.

According to George Tinker, himself an Osage/Cherokee and professor at
Iliff School of Theology in Denver, Colorado,[78] Serra's legacy
included forced labor of converted Indians in order to support the
missions. Overwhelming evidence suggests that "native peoples resisted
the Spanish intrusion from the beginning".[79] Tinker also states that
Serra's intentions in evangelizing were honest and genuine.

Serra pushed for a system of laws to protect natives from some abuses
by Spanish soldiers, whose practices were in conflict with his.
"Blessed Junípero Serra 1713 - 1784". Serra Club of Bethlehem,
Pennsylvania. Retrieved 24 May 2013.

Members of other tribes associated with mission system also expressed
support for Serra's canonization. “Our people were directly involved
with the Carmel Mission,” said Tony Cerda, tribal chief of the
Costanoan Rumsen Carmel tribe. “We support the canonization...The
mission lands were our ancestral homes. Our ancestors are buried at
the mission.

Biographer Gregory Orfalea wrote of Serra: "I see his devotion to
Native Californians as heartfelt, plain-spoken and borne out by
continuous example.

++ Serra is no genocidal freak.

[Mattb.]

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.
Well the current Pope is a freak and racist. I mean making a
genocidal asshole into a saint. Pure 100% evil.

Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M. (November 24, 1713 – August 28, 1784)
was a Roman Catholic Spanish priest and

He was a Satanic priest and murdered under the power of the
inquisition.

I will admit his statue does make a good addition in a dog park.
Every time a dog pissed on it makes me feel good.

[PATRICK]

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.
Well the current Pope is a freak and racist. I mean making a
genocidal asshole into a saint. Pure 100% evil.

Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M. (November 24, 1713 – August 28, 1784)
was a Roman Catholic Spanish priest and

He was a Satanic priest and murdered under the power of the
inquisition.

Serra murdered no one.
He was a missionary who cared deeply about spreading the Good News of
Jesus to peoples who never had a chance to hear His words.

Post by Mattb.
I will admit his statue does make a good addition in a dog park.
Every time a dog pissed on it makes me feel good.

Why aren't there any great statues of great Indian chiefs who allowed
scalping of white women and children?

+ Now, ... if you notice... this is how you start flame wars. First
you disparage great Catholic leaders, popes. You make up stories
about them. In turn, I ask you why you have no problem in defending
evil Indians like

Camazotz: The Death Bat
This ferocious creature originates with the ancient Mayans, who
depicted him as a powerful god-monster from the hellish domain of
Xibalba, where he presides over swarms of bloodthirsty vampire bats.
Though powerful enough to destroy entire civilizations, Camazotz made
a treaty with human beings to bring them fire… but in exchange, he
demanded human sacrifices.

Yee Naaldlooshii: The Skinwalker
Known mainly to Navajo folklore, the Skinwalker is essentially the
North American equivalent of the werewolf. In most tales, the creature
is a magical or cursed human being — usually a shaman who takes part
in a heretical ceremony designed to summon evil forces, so that he may
take on the characteristics of an animal. That animal can take many
forms, including wolves, bears and birds. If the shaman stays too long
in animal form, he can lose his humanity completely — which makes him
even more dangerous.

++ Although the latest trend of indians is to blame Europeans on the
people who scalped others,....
Based on markings on skulls, drawings, linguistic clues, and the
diaries of 15th- and 16th-century explorers, their conclusions were
ultimately published in a 1981 book, "The European and the Indian,"
which argues that the practice of scalping in North and South America
predated the arrival of Christopher Columbus.

"Scalps were not mere trophies or booty of war, however," Axtell
wrote. "The whorl of hair on the crown and especially male scalp
locks, braided and decorated with jewelry, paint, and feathers,
represented the person's `soul' or living spirit. To lose that hair to
an enemy was to lose control over one's life, to become socially and
spiritually `dead', whether biological death resulted or not."

English settlers adopted the practice as a retaliatory measure, he
said - and then added a new twist by offering bounties to their Indian
allies for scalps taken from hostile tribes.

The arrangement worked, although scalps were substituted for whole
heads, which were too cumbersome to carry over long distances. It also
required some adjustment by the Indians, who were unused to giving up
their hard-won war trophies to foreigners.

http://www.hawthorneinsalem.org/ScholarsForum/MMD2263.html

The trophy prized above all others by American Indians was the scalp.
Those made in later days by the Sioux consist of a small disk of skin
from the head, with the attached hair. It was cut and torn from the
head of wounded or dead enemies. It was carefully cleaned and
stretched on a hoop; this was mounted on a stick for carrying. The
skin was painted red on the inside, and the hair arranged naturally.
If the dead man was a brave wearing war feathers, these were mounted
on the hoop with the scalp.
It is said that the Sioux anciently took a much larger piece from
the head, as the Pueblos always did. Among the latter, the whole
haired skin, including the ears, was torn from the head. At Cochiti
might be seen, until lately, ancient scalps with the ears, and in
these there still remained the green turquoise ornaments

++ How can you defend this type of behavior?

[Mattb.]

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.
Well the current Pope is a freak and racist. I mean making a
genocidal asshole into a saint. Pure 100% evil.

Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M. (November 24, 1713 – August 28, 1784)
was a Roman Catholic Spanish priest and

He was a Satanic priest and murdered under the power of the
inquisition.

Serra murdered no one.
He was a missionary who cared deeply about spreading the Good News of
Jesus to peoples who never had a chance to hear His words.

Sure why did he have the right to kill?

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.
I will admit his statue does make a good addition in a dog park.
Every time a dog pissed on it makes me feel good.

Why aren't there any great statues of great Indian chiefs who allowed
scalping of white women and children?

That all you have? Your attitude is similar to that of the satanic
pig Junípero Serra

Post by PATRICK
+ Now, ... if you notice... this is how you start flame wars. First
you disparage great Catholic leaders, popes. You make up stories
about them. In turn, I ask you why you have no problem in defending
evil Indians like
Camazotz: The Death Bat
This ferocious creature originates with the ancient Mayans, who
depicted him as a powerful god-monster from the hellish domain of
Xibalba, where he presides over swarms of bloodthirsty vampire bats.
Though powerful enough to destroy entire civilizations, Camazotz made
a treaty with human beings to bring them fire… but in exchange, he
demanded human sacrifices.
Yee Naaldlooshii: The Skinwalker
Known mainly to Navajo folklore, the Skinwalker is essentially the
North American equivalent of the werewolf. In most tales, the creature
is a magical or cursed human being — usually a shaman who takes part
in a heretical ceremony designed to summon evil forces, so that he may
take on the characteristics of an animal. That animal can take many
forms, including wolves, bears and birds. If the shaman stays too long
in animal form, he can lose his humanity completely — which makes him
even more dangerous.
++ Although the latest trend of indians is to blame Europeans on the
people who scalped others,....
Based on markings on skulls, drawings, linguistic clues, and the
diaries of 15th- and 16th-century explorers, their conclusions were
ultimately published in a 1981 book, "The European and the Indian,"
which argues that the practice of scalping in North and South America
predated the arrival of Christopher Columbus.
"Scalps were not mere trophies or booty of war, however," Axtell
wrote. "The whorl of hair on the crown and especially male scalp
locks, braided and decorated with jewelry, paint, and feathers,
represented the person's `soul' or living spirit. To lose that hair to
an enemy was to lose control over one's life, to become socially and
spiritually `dead', whether biological death resulted or not."
English settlers adopted the practice as a retaliatory measure, he
said - and then added a new twist by offering bounties to their Indian
allies for scalps taken from hostile tribes.
The arrangement worked, although scalps were substituted for whole
heads, which were too cumbersome to carry over long distances. It also
required some adjustment by the Indians, who were unused to giving up
their hard-won war trophies to foreigners.
http://www.hawthorneinsalem.org/ScholarsForum/MMD2263.html
The trophy prized above all others by American Indians was the scalp.
Those made in later days by the Sioux consist of a small disk of skin
from the head, with the attached hair. It was cut and torn from the
head of wounded or dead enemies. It was carefully cleaned and
stretched on a hoop; this was mounted on a stick for carrying. The
skin was painted red on the inside, and the hair arranged naturally.
If the dead man was a brave wearing war feathers, these were mounted
on the hoop with the scalp.
It is said that the Sioux anciently took a much larger piece from
the head, as the Pueblos always did. Among the latter, the whole
haired skin, including the ears, was torn from the head. At Cochiti
might be seen, until lately, ancient scalps with the ears, and in
these there still remained the green turquoise ornaments
++ How can you defend this type of behavior?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/american-colonists-practice-scalping

In the American colonies, a posse of New Hampshire volunteers comes
across a band of encamped Native Americans and takes 10 “scalps” in
the first significant appropriation of this Native American practice
by European colonists. The posse received a bounty of 100 pounds per
scalp from the colonial authorities in Boston.

Although the custom of “scalping” was once practiced in Europe and
Asia, it is generally associated with North American native groups. In
scalping, the skin around the crown of the head was cut and removed
from the enemy’s skull, usually causing death. In addition to its
value as a war trophy, a scalp was often believed to bestow the
possessor with the powers of the scalped enemy. In their early wars
with Native Americans, European colonists of North America retaliated
against hostile native groups by adopting their practice of scalp
taking. Bounties were offered for them by colonial authorities, which
in turn led to an escalation of intertribal warfare and scalping in
North America.



Seems not only was this done in Europe also but your ancestors
practiced cannibalism at one time.

RCC did it's evil in Jesus name that makes it worse.

[PATRICK]

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.
Well the current Pope is a freak and racist. I mean making a
genocidal asshole into a saint. Pure 100% evil.

Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M. (November 24, 1713 – August 28, 1784)
was a Roman Catholic Spanish priest and

He was a Satanic priest and murdered under the power of the
inquisition.

Serra murdered no one.
He was a missionary who cared deeply about spreading the Good News of
Jesus to peoples who never had a chance to hear His words.

Sure why did he have the right to kill?

Serra killed no one.
His mission was to bring the good news of Jesus Christ to those who
had never heard the message.

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.
I will admit his statue does make a good addition in a dog park.
Every time a dog pissed on it makes me feel good.

Why aren't there any great statues of great Indian chiefs who allowed
scalping of white women and children?

That all you have? Your attitude is similar to that of the satanic
pig Junípero Serra

It is obvious that Serra was a great man, revered by thousands.
It is also obvious your own race was a disgrace to humanity.

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK
+ Now, ... if you notice... this is how you start flame wars. First
you disparage great Catholic leaders, popes. You make up stories
about them. In turn, I ask you why you have no problem in defending
evil Indians like
Camazotz: The Death Bat
This ferocious creature originates with the ancient Mayans, who
depicted him as a powerful god-monster from the hellish domain of
Xibalba, where he presides over swarms of bloodthirsty vampire bats.
Though powerful enough to destroy entire civilizations, Camazotz made
a treaty with human beings to bring them fire… but in exchange, he
demanded human sacrifices.
Yee Naaldlooshii: The Skinwalker
Known mainly to Navajo folklore, the Skinwalker is essentially the
North American equivalent of the werewolf. In most tales, the creature
is a magical or cursed human being — usually a shaman who takes part
in a heretical ceremony designed to summon evil forces, so that he may
take on the characteristics of an animal. That animal can take many
forms, including wolves, bears and birds. If the shaman stays too long
in animal form, he can lose his humanity completely — which makes him
even more dangerous.
++ Although the latest trend of indians is to blame Europeans on the
people who scalped others,....
Based on markings on skulls, drawings, linguistic clues, and the
diaries of 15th- and 16th-century explorers, their conclusions were
ultimately published in a 1981 book, "The European and the Indian,"
which argues that the practice of scalping in North and South America
predated the arrival of Christopher Columbus.
"Scalps were not mere trophies or booty of war, however," Axtell
wrote. "The whorl of hair on the crown and especially male scalp
locks, braided and decorated with jewelry, paint, and feathers,
represented the person's `soul' or living spirit. To lose that hair to
an enemy was to lose control over one's life, to become socially and
spiritually `dead', whether biological death resulted or not."
English settlers adopted the practice as a retaliatory measure, he
said - and then added a new twist by offering bounties to their Indian
allies for scalps taken from hostile tribes.
The arrangement worked, although scalps were substituted for whole
heads, which were too cumbersome to carry over long distances. It also
required some adjustment by the Indians, who were unused to giving up
their hard-won war trophies to foreigners.
http://www.hawthorneinsalem.org/ScholarsForum/MMD2263.html
The trophy prized above all others by American Indians was the scalp.
Those made in later days by the Sioux consist of a small disk of skin
from the head, with the attached hair. It was cut and torn from the
head of wounded or dead enemies. It was carefully cleaned and
stretched on a hoop; this was mounted on a stick for carrying. The
skin was painted red on the inside, and the hair arranged naturally.
If the dead man was a brave wearing war feathers, these were mounted
on the hoop with the scalp.
It is said that the Sioux anciently took a much larger piece from
the head, as the Pueblos always did. Among the latter, the whole
haired skin, including the ears, was torn from the head. At Cochiti
might be seen, until lately, ancient scalps with the ears, and in
these there still remained the green turquoise ornaments
++ How can you defend this type of behavior?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/american-colonists-practice-scalping
In the American colonies, a posse of New Hampshire volunteers comes
across a band of encamped Native Americans and takes 10 “scalps” in
the first significant appropriation of this Native American practice
by European colonists. The posse received a bounty of 100 pounds per
scalp from the colonial authorities in Boston.

And why did they do this?
Was it because those same indians snuck up on a dozen women and
children, raped them and scalped them, thereupon sneaking back under
the rock they came from. Those indians needed a lesson in how to
handle depravity when it is found. The remedy was appropriate. And
it put all scalping injuns on notice that their behavior is
inappropriate.

Post by Mattb.
Although the custom of “scalping” was once practiced in Europe and
Asia, it is generally associated with North American native groups. In
scalping, the skin around the crown of the head was cut and removed
from the enemy’s skull, usually causing death. In addition to its
value as a war trophy, a scalp was often believed to bestow the
possessor with the powers of the scalped enemy. In their early wars
with Native Americans, European colonists of North America retaliated
against hostile native groups by adopting their practice of scalp
taking. Bounties were offered for them by colonial authorities, which
in turn led to an escalation of intertribal warfare and scalping in
North America.

Yup.
Injuns scalping injuns. Injuns scalping white women and children.
How do you defend your heritage?
The same way you defend larry brooks, the pedo?

Post by Mattb.
Seems not only was this done in Europe also but your ancestors
practiced cannibalism at one time.

Not mine.
Scalping independently developed in various cultures in both the Old
and New Worlds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping

Georg Frederici noted in Scalping and Similar Warfare Customs in
America that, “Herodotus provided the only clear and satisfactory
portrayal of a scalping people in the old world”, in his description
of the Scythians, a nomadic people then located to the north and west
of the Black Sea. Aren't those the predecessors of American indians?

Scalping most closely approaches the state of affairs between the
Pawnees and the Sioux and Cheyennes. Noncombatants were legitimate
targets. Indeed, the taking of a scalp of a woman or child was
considered honorable because it signified that the scalp taker had
dared to enter the very heart of the enemy's territory."

And sometimes your own ancestors failed to kill the people they
scalped. Survivor Robert McGee was scalped as a child in 1864 by
Lakota Chief Little Turtle.
As a child......
Lakota.....
Didn't you claim to be lakota?

Post by Mattb.
RCC did it's evil in Jesus name that makes it worse.

And your ancestors did it merely for fun.
Which is worse?

[•RLMeasures]

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.
Well the current Pope is a freak and racist. I mean making a
genocidal asshole into a saint. Pure 100% evil.

Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M. (November 24, 1713 – August 28, 1784)
was a Roman Catholic Spanish priest and

He was a Satanic priest and murdered under the power of the
inquisition.

Serra murdered no one.
He was a missionary who cared deeply about spreading the Good News of
Jesus to peoples who never had a chance to hear His words.

Sure why did he have the right to kill?

Serra killed no one.
His mission was to bring the good news of Jesus Christ to those who
had never heard the message.

€€€ Good news was when the Christians left.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK

Post by Mattb.
I will admit his statue does make a good addition in a dog park.
Every time a dog pissed on it makes me feel good.

Why aren't there any great statues of great Indian chiefs who allowed
scalping of white women and children?

That all you have? Your attitude is similar to that of the satanic
pig Junípero Serra

It is obvious that Serra was a great man, revered by thousands.
It is also obvious your own race was a disgrace to humanity.

Post by Mattb.

Post by PATRICK
+ Now, ... if you notice... this is how you start flame wars. First
you disparage great Catholic leaders, popes. You make up stories
about them. In turn, I ask you why you have no problem in defending
evil Indians like
Camazotz: The Death Bat
This ferocious creature originates with the ancient Mayans, who
depicted him as a powerful god-monster from the hellish domain of
Xibalba, where he presides over swarms of bloodthirsty vampire bats.
Though powerful enough to destroy entire civilizations, Camazotz made
a treaty with human beings to bring them fire… but in exchange, he
demanded human sacrifices.
Yee Naaldlooshii: The Skinwalker
Known mainly to Navajo folklore, the Skinwalker is essentially the
North American equivalent of the werewolf. In most tales, the creature
is a magical or cursed human being — usually a shaman who takes part
in a heretical ceremony designed to summon evil forces, so that he may
take on the characteristics of an animal. That animal can take many
forms, including wolves, bears and birds. If the shaman stays too long
in animal form, he can lose his humanity completely — which makes him
even more dangerous.
++ Although the latest trend of indians is to blame Europeans on the
people who scalped others,....
Based on markings on skulls, drawings, linguistic clues, and the
diaries of 15th- and 16th-century explorers, their conclusions were
ultimately published in a 1981 book, "The European and the Indian,"
which argues that the practice of scalping in North and South America
predated the arrival of Christopher Columbus.
"Scalps were not mere trophies or booty of war, however," Axtell
wrote. "The whorl of hair on the crown and especially male scalp
locks, braided and decorated with jewelry, paint, and feathers,
represented the person's `soul' or living spirit. To lose that hair to
an enemy was to lose control over one's life, to become socially and
spiritually `dead', whether biological death resulted or not."
English settlers adopted the practice as a retaliatory measure, he
said - and then added a new twist by offering bounties to their Indian
allies for scalps taken from hostile tribes.
The arrangement worked, although scalps were substituted for whole
heads, which were too cumbersome to carry over long distances. It also
required some adjustment by the Indians, who were unused to giving up
their hard-won war trophies to foreigners.
http://www.hawthorneinsalem.org/ScholarsForum/MMD2263.html
The trophy prized above all others by American Indians was the scalp.
Those made in later days by the Sioux consist of a small disk of skin
from the head, with the attached hair. It was cut and torn from the
head of wounded or dead enemies. It was carefully cleaned and
stretched on a hoop; this was mounted on a stick for carrying. The
skin was painted red on the inside, and the hair arranged naturally.
If the dead man was a brave wearing war feathers, these were mounted
on the hoop with the scalp.
It is said that the Sioux anciently took a much larger piece from
the head, as the Pueblos always did. Among the latter, the whole
haired skin, including the ears, was torn from the head. At Cochiti
might be seen, until lately, ancient scalps with the ears, and in
these there still remained the green turquoise ornaments
++ How can you defend this type of behavior?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/american-colonists-practice-scalping

Post by Mattb.
In the American colonies, a posse of New Hampshire volunteers comes
across a band of encamped Native Americans and takes 10 “scalps” in
the first significant appropriation of this Native American practice
by European colonists. The posse received a bounty of 100 pounds per
scalp from the colonial authorities in Boston.

And why did they do this?
Was it because those same indians snuck up on a dozen women and
children, raped them and scalped them, thereupon sneaking back under
the rock they came from. Those indians needed a lesson in how to
handle depravity when it is found. The remedy was appropriate. And
it put all scalping injuns on notice that their behavior is
inappropriate.

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Although the custom of “scalping” was once practiced in Europe and
Asia, it is generally associated with North American native groups. In
scalping, the skin around the crown of the head was cut and removed
from the enemy’s skull, usually causing death. In addition to its
value as a war trophy, a scalp was often believed to bestow the
possessor with the powers of the scalped enemy. In their early wars
with Native Americans, European colonists of North America retaliated
against hostile native groups by adopting their practice of scalp
taking. Bounties were offered for them by colonial authorities, which
in turn led to an escalation of intertribal warfare and scalping in
North America.

Yup.
Injuns scalping injuns. Injuns scalping white women and children.
How do you defend your heritage?
The same way you defend larry brooks, the pedo?

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Seems not only was this done in Europe also but your ancestors
practiced cannibalism at one time.

Not mine.
Scalping independently developed in various cultures in both the Old
and New Worlds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping
Georg Frederici noted in Scalping and Similar Warfare Customs in
America that, “Herodotus provided the only clear and satisfactory
portrayal of a scalping people in the old world”, in his description
of the Scythians, a nomadic people then located to the north and west
of the Black Sea. Aren't those the predecessors of American indians?
Scalping most closely approaches the state of affairs between the
Pawnees and the Sioux and Cheyennes. Noncombatants were legitimate
targets. Indeed, the taking of a scalp of a woman or child was
considered honorable because it signified that the scalp taker had
dared to enter the very heart of the enemy's territory."
And sometimes your own ancestors failed to kill the people they
scalped. Survivor Robert McGee was scalped as a child in 1864 by
Lakota Chief Little Turtle.
As a child......
Lakota.....
Didn't you claim to be lakota?

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RCC did it's evil in Jesus name that makes it worse.

And your ancestors did it merely for fun.
Which is worse?

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

All priests up thru the Pope will stand in judgment before Jesus just as you and
I and all mankind will.

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

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*****
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Pope Paul VI
*****

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

All priests up thru the Pope will stand in judgment before Jesus just as you and
I and all mankind will.

Yes that is true

We declare, say , define, and pronounce that it is absolutely
necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to
the Roman Pontiff.
Pope Boniface VIII

Then there is this

The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were
able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren
in eternal fire.
Pope Gregory I

I wonder if there is a balcony overlooking all the false propjets and
Popes so all can share in this Bliss?

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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

the dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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*****
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Pope Paul VI
*****

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

All priests up thru the Pope will stand in judgment before Jesus just as you and
I and all mankind will.

Yes that is true
We declare, say , define, and pronounce that it is absolutely
necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to
the Roman Pontiff.
Pope Boniface VIII

Yes, Jesus assigned him as Vicar of Christ.

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Then there is this
The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were
able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren
in eternal fire.
Pope Gregory I

A word of advice to the heathen.

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I wonder if there is a balcony overlooking all the false propjets and
Popes so all can share in this Bliss?

Heaven is so wonderful and blissful that I'm sure all the "propjets" [sic] has
others things to do.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

All priests up thru the Pope will stand in judgment before Jesus just as you and
I and all mankind will.

Yes that is true
We declare, say , define, and pronounce that it is absolutely
necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to
the Roman Pontiff.
Pope Boniface VIII

Yes, Jesus assigned him as Vicar of Christ.

Did he? I think that is a lie and pure Bullshit. Maybe Satan did.

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Then there is this
The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were
able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren
in eternal fire.
Pope Gregory I

A word of advice to the heathen.

Yes the militant Catholics who even think it enjoyable to see people
burn. The priest could look over be in 'bliss' and remember when they
were raping kids? Catholic Fundie heaven?

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I wonder if there is a balcony overlooking all the false propjets and
Popes so all can share in this Bliss?

Heaven is so wonderful and blissful that I'm sure all the "propjets" [sic] has
others things to do.

Well they would no longer practice at being prophets.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

All priests up thru the Pope will stand in judgment before Jesus just as you and
I and all mankind will.

Yes that is true
We declare, say , define, and pronounce that it is absolutely
necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to
the Roman Pontiff.
Pope Boniface VIII

Yes, Jesus assigned him as Vicar of Christ.

Did he? I think that is a lie and pure Bullshit. Maybe Satan did.

His assignment from Jesus is in the bible.

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Then there is this
The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were
able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren
in eternal fire.
Pope Gregory I

A word of advice to the heathen.

Yes the militant Catholics who even think it enjoyable to see people
burn. The priest could look over be in 'bliss' and remember when they
were raping kids? Catholic Fundie heaven?

You are a member of the church militant.

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I wonder if there is a balcony overlooking all the false propjets and
Popes so all can share in this Bliss?

Heaven is so wonderful and blissful that I'm sure all the "propjets" [sic] has
others things to do.

Well they would no longer practice at being prophets.

the dukester, American-American

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Pope Paul VI
*****

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

All priests up thru the Pope will stand in judgment before Jesus just as you and
I and all mankind will.

Yes that is true
We declare, say , define, and pronounce that it is absolutely
necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to
the Roman Pontiff.
Pope Boniface VIII

Yes, Jesus assigned him as Vicar of Christ.

Did he? I think that is a lie and pure Bullshit. Maybe Satan did.

His assignment from Jesus is in the bible.

Where?

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Then there is this
The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were
able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren
in eternal fire.
Pope Gregory I

A word of advice to the heathen.

Yes the militant Catholics who even think it enjoyable to see people
burn. The priest could look over be in 'bliss' and remember when they
were raping kids? Catholic Fundie heaven?

You are a member of the church militant.

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I wonder if there is a balcony overlooking all the false propjets and
Popes so all can share in this Bliss?

Heaven is so wonderful and blissful that I'm sure all the "propjets" [sic] has
others things to do.

Well they would no longer practice at being prophets.

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

All priests up thru the Pope will stand in judgment before Jesus just as you and
I and all mankind will.

Yes that is true
We declare, say , define, and pronounce that it is absolutely
necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to
the Roman Pontiff.
Pope Boniface VIII

Yes, Jesus assigned him as Vicar of Christ.

Did he? I think that is a lie and pure Bullshit. Maybe Satan did.

His assignment from Jesus is in the bible.

Where?

In real life, it's historical. In scripture, try Mat 16.

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Then there is this
The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were
able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren
in eternal fire.
Pope Gregory I

A word of advice to the heathen.

Yes the militant Catholics who even think it enjoyable to see people
burn. The priest could look over be in 'bliss' and remember when they
were raping kids? Catholic Fundie heaven?

You are a member of the church militant.

Good you understand that.

the dukester, American-American

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Pope Paul VI
*****

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Well Earl Weber being a Pedo loving liar won't be on that list.

Well, God alone knows that, and he doesn't allow others to be the judge.

True. God alone is the judge and not any priest or Popes with the
RCC. Yet how many have they killed?

All priests up thru the Pope will stand in judgment before Jesus just as you and
I and all mankind will.

Yes that is true
We declare, say , define, and pronounce that it is absolutely
necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to
the Roman Pontiff.
Pope Boniface VIII

Yes, Jesus assigned him as Vicar of Christ.

Did he? I think that is a lie and pure Bullshit. Maybe Satan did.

His assignment from Jesus is in the bible.

Where?

In real life, it's historical. In scripture, try Mat 16.

Sorry doesn't say catholic church. Also does rock mean a point on
earth or maybe the earth itself as if his blessing were for all who
ask for it on earth.

Also no where does it say what was given to Peter would be passed on
to the Popes. In fact the inquisition of the Church pretty much show
that was not done.

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Then there is this
The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were
able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren
in eternal fire.
Pope Gregory I

A word of advice to the heathen.

Yes the militant Catholics who even think it enjoyable to see people
burn. The priest could look over be in 'bliss' and remember when they
were raping kids? Catholic Fundie heaven?

You are a member of the church militant.

Good you understand that.
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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Also no where does it say what was given to Peter would be passed on
to the Popes. In fact the inquisition of the Church pretty much show
that was not done.

Do you recall the story of Judas in the Bible?
Why do you think the Apostles replaced him when he died?

We cling tightly to this tradition because all Christians are
commanded to do so by Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians
2:15. For biblical corroboration look at Acts 1:21-26, where you'll
see the apostles, immediately after Jesus' Ascension, acting swiftly
to replace the position left vacant by Judas's suicide.

They prayed for guidance, asking God to show them which candidate was
"chosen to take the place in this apostolic ministry from which Judas
turned away." After choosing Matthias they laid hands on him to confer
apostolic authority.

Look at 1 Timothy 1:6 and 4:14, where Paul reminds Timothy that the
office of bishop had been conferred on him through the laying on of
hands. Notice in 1 Timothy 5:22 that Paul advises Timothy not to be
hasty in handing on this authority to others. In Titus Paul describes
the apostolic authority Titus had received and urges him to act
decisively in this leadership role.

Lastly, please do better homework on early Christian writings. The
testimony of the early Church is deafening in its unanimous (yes,
unanimous) assertion of apostolic succession. Far from being discussed
by only a few, scattered writers, the belief that the apostles handed
on their authority to others was one of the most frequently and
vociferously defended doctrines in the first centuries of
Christianity.

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Also no where does it say what was given to Peter would be passed on
to the Popes. In fact the inquisition of the Church pretty much show
that was not done.

Do you recall the story of Judas in the Bible?

Yes are you saying the RCC is like Judas and betrayed the teaching of
Jesus?

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Why do you think the Apostles replaced him when he died?

Did they?

With whom?

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Also no where does it say what was given to Peter would be passed on
to the Popes. In fact the inquisition of the Church pretty much show
that was not done.

Do you recall the story of Judas in the Bible?

Yes are you saying the RCC is like Judas and betrayed the teaching of
Jesus?

And you wonder why we call you a stupid ass wipe.

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Why do you think the Apostles replaced him when he died?

Did they?
With whom?

Saint Matthias. Matthias (Hebrew transliteration: Mattityahu; Koine
Greek: ?a???a?; died c. 80 AD) was, according to the Acts of the
Apostles, the apostle chosen by the believers to replace Judas
Iscariot following Judas' betrayal of Jesus and his subsequent
suicide.

Acts 1:12-26New International Version (NIV)

Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas
12 Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the
Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[a] from the city. 13 When they
arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those
present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas,
Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot,
and Judas son of James. 14 They all joined together constantly in
prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with
his brothers.

15 In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering
about a hundred and twenty) 16 and said, “Brothers and sisters,[b] the
Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago
through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who
arrested Jesus. 17 He was one of our number and shared in our
ministry.”

18 (With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a
field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his
intestines spilled out. 19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so
they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of
Blood.)

20 “For,” said Peter, “it is written in the Book of Psalms:

“‘May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,’[c]
and,

“‘May another take his place of leadership.’[d]
21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been
with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, 22
beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from
us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his
resurrection.”

23 So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as
Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s
heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this
apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26 Then
they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the
eleven apostles.

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Also no where does it say what was given to Peter would be passed on
to the Popes. In fact the inquisition of the Church pretty much show
that was not done.

Do you recall the story of Judas in the Bible?

Yes are you saying the RCC is like Judas and betrayed the teaching of
Jesus?

And you wonder why we call you a stupid ass wipe.

Right now go talk to the whore.

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Why do you think the Apostles replaced him when he died?

Did they?
With whom?

Saint Matthias. Matthias (Hebrew transliteration: Mattityahu; Koine
Greek: ?a???a?; died c. 80 AD) was, according to the Acts of the
Apostles, the apostle chosen by the believers to replace Judas
Iscariot following Judas' betrayal of Jesus and his subsequent
suicide.
Acts 1:12-26New International Version (NIV)
Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas
12 Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the
Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[a] from the city. 13 When they
arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those
present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas,
Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot,
and Judas son of James. 14 They all joined together constantly in
prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with
his brothers.
15 In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering
about a hundred and twenty) 16 and said, “Brothers and sisters,[b] the
Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago
through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who
arrested Jesus. 17 He was one of our number and shared in our
ministry.”
18 (With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a
field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his
intestines spilled out. 19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so
they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of
Blood.)
“‘May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,’[c]
and,
“‘May another take his place of leadership.’[d]
21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been
with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, 22
beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from
us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his
resurrection.”
23 So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as
Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s
heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this
apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26 Then
they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the
eleven apostles.

Sounds much like Mithras.

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Also no where does it say what was given to Peter would be passed on
to the Popes. In fact the inquisition of the Church pretty much show
that was not done.

Do you recall the story of Judas in the Bible?

Yes are you saying the RCC is like Judas and betrayed the teaching of
Jesus?

And you wonder why we call you a stupid ass wipe.

Right now go talk to the whore.

Why?
Is your wife available for a phone call again?

[Robert]

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him

Well, Earl, his so-called second coming is in the air, his feet do not
touch the land. Read your bible, see the truth for a change.

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Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

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And as to worry, you won't. When the true Born Again Saints of the
real Church of God are raised up from the dead, and those that are
alive will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye and all brought
straight into heaven. That is when you will have to worry, or maybe
not. The very first war of those seven years will take place and if
you are lucky you might survive, only to face the troubles that are to
come. But only if you repent from the religion that has you bound and
turn to Jesus, the real Jesus, for salvation. At that time you will
know that the church never saved you and never could, unless you yield
to the false prophet that side with the antichrist.

Well, you refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus, so I suspect it is you
following the antichrist.

Like I said, you need to repent.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

See how you pull out scriptures willy nilly and seldom in context?
That has to do with the white throne Judgment in revelations.

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It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

I know, yet you too could be redeemed if you would listen to him.

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the dukester, American-American

[duke]

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him

Well, Earl, his so-called second coming is in the air, his feet do not
touch the land. Read your bible, see the truth for a change.

Nah, even Jesus said he didn't know the time or day when that would happen. Only
his Father knows. I found that in the bible, and it is truth.

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Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Post by Robert
And as to worry, you won't. When the true Born Again Saints of the
real Church of God are raised up from the dead, and those that are
alive will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye and all brought
straight into heaven. That is when you will have to worry, or maybe
not. The very first war of those seven years will take place and if
you are lucky you might survive, only to face the troubles that are to
come. But only if you repent from the religion that has you bound and
turn to Jesus, the real Jesus, for salvation. At that time you will
know that the church never saved you and never could, unless you yield
to the false prophet that side with the antichrist.

Well, you refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus, so I suspect it is you
following the antichrist.

Like I said, you need to repent.

I'm not going to stand in your place for your judgment. You will have to do
that.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

See how you pull out scriptures willy nilly and seldom in context?
That has to do with the white throne Judgment in revelations.

Who told you that? The dry bones of the Jews who died in righteousness were
released by the cross. Revelations is a dream by a man Named jOhn on the island
of Patmos. You need to pull it together.

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It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

I know, yet you too could be redeemed if you would listen to him.

I'm already redeemed by the cross. Was baptized when I was 8 weeks old.

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the dukester, American-American

the dukester, American-American

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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
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[Robert]

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him

Well, Earl, his so-called second coming is in the air, his feet do not
touch the land. Read your bible, see the truth for a change.

Nah, even Jesus said he didn't know the time or day when that would happen. Only
his Father knows. I found that in the bible, and it is truth.

Did anyone say any differently? Nope, but I am glad you found it in
the bible.

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Post by duke
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Post by Robert
And as to worry, you won't. When the true Born Again Saints of the
real Church of God are raised up from the dead, and those that are
alive will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye and all brought
straight into heaven. That is when you will have to worry, or maybe
not. The very first war of those seven years will take place and if
you are lucky you might survive, only to face the troubles that are to
come. But only if you repent from the religion that has you bound and
turn to Jesus, the real Jesus, for salvation. At that time you will
know that the church never saved you and never could, unless you yield
to the false prophet that side with the antichrist.

Well, you refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus, so I suspect it is you
following the antichrist.

Like I said, you need to repent.

I'm not going to stand in your place for your judgment. You will have to do
that.

Jesus already stood there for me. I do not need you. I have a much
better advocate.

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Post by Robert
Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

See how you pull out scriptures willy nilly and seldom in context?
That has to do with the white throne Judgment in revelations.

Who told you that?

God showed it to me.

Post by duke
The dry bones of the Jews who died in righteousness were
released by the cross. Revelations is a dream by a man Named jOhn on the island
of Patmos. You need to pull it together.

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Post by duke
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

I know, yet you too could be redeemed if you would listen to him.

I'm already redeemed by the cross. Was baptized when I was 8 weeks old.

By Faith are you saved, and that not of yourself, it is the gift of
God. Someone's been lying to you.

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*****
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I'm not going to stand in your place for your judgment. You will have to do
that.

Jesus already stood there for me. I do not need you. I have a much
better advocate.

+ Your advocate will also be your judge.
+ Don't feel that you are "Safe" just because you claim to have been
"saved." Actions speak louder than words.

One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that when we turn to Jesus
Christ in repentance and faith, God forgives our sins and gives us the
gift of eternal life. We no longer need to fear death or Hell or
judgment, because Christ endured them for us. As the Bible says, “He
forgave us all our sins” (Colossians 2:13).

At the same time, the Bible tells us that some day each of us will
stand before God. If we have denied Him and refused to follow Him, we
will be judged for our unbelief. God will say, “Depart from me, you
who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his
angels” (Matthew 25:41). These are sobering words, and they should
make every one of us stop and be sure of our commitment to Christ.

The first thing anyone who has died will know, is being resurrected to
stand before the Judgment seat of Jesus Christ.

“Multitudes that sleep in the dust of the earth will awake; some to
everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt.” Daniel 12:2
“….Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead at his
appearing and his kingdom,” 2 Timothy 4:1 That is when people will
receive eternal life or eternal death .

The first thing to understand about the final judgment is that it
cannot be avoided. Regardless of how we may choose to interpret
prophecy on the end times, we are told that “it is appointed to men
once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). We all have
a divine appointment with our Creator. The apostle John recorded some
details of the final judgment:

We can be sure of this: no mistakes will be made on Judgement Day
because we will be judged by a perfect God (Matthew 5:48; 1 John 1:5).
This will manifest itself in many undeniable proofs. First, God will
be perfectly just and fair (Acts 10:34; Galatians 3:28). Second, God
cannot be deceived (Galatians 6:7). Third, God cannot be swayed by any
prejudices, excuses or lies (Luke 14:16-24).

For now, our fate is in our own hands. The end of our soul’s journey
will be either in an eternal heaven or in an eternal hell (Matthew
25:46). We must choose where we will be by accepting or rejecting the
sacrifice of Christ on our behalf, and we must make that choice before
our physical lives on this earth come to an end. After death, there is
no longer a choice, and our fate is to stand before the throne of God,
where everything will be open and naked before Him (Hebrews 4:13).
Romans 2:6 declares that God “will give to each person according to
what he has done.”

And lastly, we all have a free will. We will have that free will all
the way up to our death. Just because you CLAIM to be "saved," this
does not mean that you no longer have a free will to choose either
good or evil.

[Robert]

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Post by Robert

Post by duke
I'm not going to stand in your place for your judgment. You will have to do
that.

Jesus already stood there for me. I do not need you. I have a much
better advocate.

+ Your advocate will also be your judge.

Having been forgiven, and having no more sin imputed to my account
since it was closed, then to be absent from the body is to be present
with the Lord.

Psa_103:12  As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he
removed our transgressions from us.

I have been justified. The stuff you would throw at me will not stick.

Post by PATRICK
+ Don't feel that you are "Safe" just because you claim to have been
"saved." Actions speak louder than words.

My "actions" never saved me in the first place. They won't benefit me
any further.

Post by PATRICK
One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that when we turn to Jesus
Christ in repentance and faith, God forgives our sins and gives us the
gift of eternal life. We no longer need to fear death or Hell or
judgment, because Christ endured them for us. As the Bible says, “He
forgave us all our sins” (Colossians 2:13).
At the same time, the Bible tells us that some day each of us will
stand before God. If we have denied Him and refused to follow Him, we
will be judged for our unbelief. God will say, “Depart from me, you
who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his
angels” (Matthew 25:41). These are sobering words, and they should
make every one of us stop and be sure of our commitment to Christ.

Can you not see? One saved, born again, the other is not? v 41, you
need to place close attention.

Post by PATRICK
The first thing anyone who has died will know, is being resurrected to
stand before the Judgment seat of Jesus Christ.

Incorrect, we have a welcoming committee.

Post by PATRICK
“Multitudes that sleep in the dust of the earth will awake; some to
everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt.” Daniel 12:2
“….Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead at his
appearing and his kingdom,” 2 Timothy 4:1 That is when people will
receive eternal life or eternal death .

Seems no matter how many times it is explained to you, you miss it
all. Time Frame matters Patrick.

Post by PATRICK
The first thing to understand about the final judgment is that it
cannot be avoided. Regardless of how we may choose to interpret
prophecy on the end times, we are told that “it is appointed to men
once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). We all have
a divine appointment with our Creator. The apostle John recorded some
We can be sure of this: no mistakes will be made on Judgement Day
because we will be judged by a perfect God (Matthew 5:48; 1 John 1:5).
This will manifest itself in many undeniable proofs. First, God will
be perfectly just and fair (Acts 10:34; Galatians 3:28). Second, God
cannot be deceived (Galatians 6:7). Third, God cannot be swayed by any
prejudices, excuses or lies (Luke 14:16-24).
For now, our fate is in our own hands. The end of our soul’s journey
will be either in an eternal heaven or in an eternal hell (Matthew
25:46). We must choose where we will be by accepting or rejecting the
sacrifice of Christ on our behalf, and we must make that choice before
our physical lives on this earth come to an end. After death, there is
no longer a choice, and our fate is to stand before the throne of God,
where everything will be open and naked before Him (Hebrews 4:13).
Romans 2:6 declares that God “will give to each person according to
what he has done.”
And lastly, we all have a free will. We will have that free will all
the way up to our death. Just because you CLAIM to be "saved," this
does not mean that you no longer have a free will to choose either
good or evil.

I do not just claim, I gave you scripture verses, earnest? Sealed?
etc.

What I said from the bible stands, compare what was given you against
what you quote here, do it on your own so that the truth can sink in.

By Faith I have salvation. I do not claim it like some prospectors
digs.

[PATRICK]

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Post by duke
I'm not going to stand in your place for your judgment. You will have to do
that.

Jesus already stood there for me. I do not need you. I have a much
better advocate.

+ Your advocate will also be your judge.

Having been forgiven, and having no more sin imputed to my account
since it was closed, then to be absent from the body is to be present
with the Lord.
Psa_103:12  As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he
removed our transgressions from us.
I have been justified. The stuff you would throw at me will not stick.

+ Your advocate will also be your judge.

Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK
+ Don't feel that you are "Safe" just because you claim to have been
"saved." Actions speak louder than words.

My "actions" never saved me in the first place. They won't benefit me
any further.

+ Don't feel that you are "Safe" just because you claim to have been
"saved." Actions speak louder than words.

Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK
One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that when we turn to Jesus
Christ in repentance and faith, God forgives our sins and gives us the
gift of eternal life. We no longer need to fear death or Hell or
judgment, because Christ endured them for us. As the Bible says, “He
forgave us all our sins” (Colossians 2:13).
At the same time, the Bible tells us that some day each of us will
stand before God. If we have denied Him and refused to follow Him, we
will be judged for our unbelief. God will say, “Depart from me, you
who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his
angels” (Matthew 25:41). These are sobering words, and they should
make every one of us stop and be sure of our commitment to Christ.

Can you not see? One saved, born again, the other is not? v 41, you
need to place close attention.

At the same time, the Bible tells us that some day each of us will
stand before God. If we have denied Him and refused to follow Him, we
will be judged for our unbelief. God will say, “Depart from me, you
who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his
angels” (Matthew 25:41).

Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK
The first thing anyone who has died will know, is being resurrected to
stand before the Judgment seat of Jesus Christ.

Incorrect, we have a welcoming committee.

It is called the Judgement seat of Jesus Christ.

Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK
“Multitudes that sleep in the dust of the earth will awake; some to
everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt.” Daniel 12:2
“….Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead at his
appearing and his kingdom,” 2 Timothy 4:1 That is when people will
receive eternal life or eternal death .

Seems no matter how many times it is explained to you, you miss it
all. Time Frame matters Patrick.

Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead at his
appearing and his kingdom,” 2 Timothy 4:1

Post by Robert

Post by PATRICK
The first thing to understand about the final judgment is that it
cannot be avoided. Regardless of how we may choose to interpret
prophecy on the end times, we are told that “it is appointed to men
once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). We all have
a divine appointment with our Creator. The apostle John recorded some
We can be sure of this: no mistakes will be made on Judgement Day
because we will be judged by a perfect God (Matthew 5:48; 1 John 1:5).
This will manifest itself in many undeniable proofs. First, God will
be perfectly just and fair (Acts 10:34; Galatians 3:28). Second, God
cannot be deceived (Galatians 6:7). Third, God cannot be swayed by any
prejudices, excuses or lies (Luke 14:16-24).
For now, our fate is in our own hands. The end of our soul’s journey
will be either in an eternal heaven or in an eternal hell (Matthew
25:46). We must choose where we will be by accepting or rejecting the
sacrifice of Christ on our behalf, and we must make that choice before
our physical lives on this earth come to an end. After death, there is
no longer a choice, and our fate is to stand before the throne of God,
where everything will be open and naked before Him (Hebrews 4:13).
Romans 2:6 declares that God “will give to each person according to
what he has done.”
And lastly, we all have a free will. We will have that free will all
the way up to our death. Just because you CLAIM to be "saved," this
does not mean that you no longer have a free will to choose either
good or evil.

I do not just claim, I gave you scripture verses, earnest? Sealed?
etc.

You don't lose your free will when you claim to be saved.

Post by Robert
What I said from the bible stands, compare what was given you against
what you quote here, do it on your own so that the truth can sink in.
By Faith I have salvation. I do not claim it like some prospectors
digs.

Good for you.
You will still have to answer for your deeds.

[duke]

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him

Well, Earl, his so-called second coming is in the air, his feet do not
touch the land. Read your bible, see the truth for a change.

Jesus said NOBODY knows that date. Only the Father. So I'm not worried about
your guesses.

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Post by duke
Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

Post by Robert
And as to worry, you won't. When the true Born Again Saints of the
real Church of God are raised up from the dead, and those that are
alive will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye and all brought
straight into heaven. That is when you will have to worry, or maybe
not. The very first war of those seven years will take place and if
you are lucky you might survive, only to face the troubles that are to
come. But only if you repent from the religion that has you bound and
turn to Jesus, the real Jesus, for salvation. At that time you will
know that the church never saved you and never could, unless you yield
to the false prophet that side with the antichrist.

Well, you refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus, so I suspect it is you
following the antichrist.

Like I said, you need to repent.

Post by duke

Post by Robert
Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

See how you pull out scriptures willy nilly and seldom in context?
That has to do with the white throne Judgment in revelations.

Post by duke
It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

I know, yet you too could be redeemed if you would listen to him.

Post by duke
the dukester, American-American

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[duke]

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Chapter 8: A sabbath commandment in Revelation?
Adventists sometimes claim that Revelation shows sabbath keeping by
Christians.
There is no mention of the sabbath in the entire book of Revelation.
Adventists base their claim on their idea that God’s commandments, for
Christians, remain the Old Covenant law, specifically the 10
commandments. I’ve dealt with why this is incorrect in Chapters 38-40.
Adventists cite Rev 12:17 as an example of sabbath keeping instructed in
Rev 12:17 – And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To Adventists, the “testimony of Jesus Christ” is a synonym for their
prophetess, Ellen White.
The only “commandments” they recognise are the 10 commandments. They
ignore the fact that there are many laws called “commandments” in the
books of Moses outside the 10 commandments, and they ignore passages
like 1 Corinthians 14:37, where commandments to Christians are not the
10 commandments.
Jesus gave new commandments. He took the 10 commandments, and expanded
on their moral principles in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7). And he
John 13:34-35 – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this
shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:10-12 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love
one another, as I have loved you.
Ask an Adventist what the greatest law is, and they’ll tell you it’s the
sabbath commandment. Ask an Adventist what the sign is that we are
Jesus’ disciples, and they’ll tell you it is keeping the sabbath.
That’s not what Jesus said above.
Jesus said that the greatest commandments in the Old Testament were two
found outside the 10 commandments, in what Adventists consider to be the
Matt 22:35-39 – Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Passages like Rev 12:17 need to be interpreted in that light. The law
changed (Heb 7:12). Jesus gave a new law. The greatest commandments in
the old law were not in the 10 commandments, but in Deut 6:4-5 and Lev
19:18. Jesus gave a new commandment – love one another as I have loved
you. We are under a new law, not the old law that ended at the cross.
And nowhere in the new law are we told to keep the sabbath, or are we
given an example by the Apostles of sabbath keeping.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
Gentiles were outside of the Law Covenant.
Rom 2:12  For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by
the law; 
Rom 2:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified. 
Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature
the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves: 
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean
while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus
Christ according to my gospel. 
Revelation 12:17
THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went away to make war
with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
"The rest of her seed" may refer to the remnant who is God's witness
in this period—the 144,000 who have been sealed. They are evidently
witnessing throughout the world. These "keep the commandments of God,"
which places them back under the Law. This precludes the possibility
of the witnesses being the church. {Dr. McGee}
Along with these 144,000 comes two mighty prophet men, men who have
yet to die physically, they are Elijah and Enoch
At the resurrection of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation
period, also known in the OT as Jacobs troubles, it ends the time of
the gentiles and is now back to the last week of the 70 weeks of years
as prophesied by the prophet Daniel. The 69th week of years ended with
the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Great. Sounds like we don't need to worry about the tribulation any more.
Ezekiel 37:1-14New International Version (NIV)
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the
Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me
back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the
valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones
live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear
the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I
will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach
tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put
breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the
Lord.’”
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a
noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked,
and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no
breath in them.
9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to
it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and
breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he
commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their
feet—a vast army.
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They
say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore
prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am
going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to
the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I
open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and
you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I
the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”
the dukester, American-American

That is speaking about the Israelites gathered together from the four
corners of the earth, back to the land of Israel, where the Lord Jesus
Christ will reign and rule the earth for 1,000 years. This takes place
at the end of the 7 years of Jacob's troubles.

Haahaahaa. His 2nd coming is to collect the souls waiting for him

Well, Earl, his so-called second coming is in the air, his feet do not
touch the land. Read your bible, see the truth for a change.

And Jesus well stated no man knew the date, not even he but only the Father. My
guess is sometime in the next 8 billion years.

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Hebrews 9:28New International Version (NIV)
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will
appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are
waiting for him.

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And as to worry, you won't. When the true Born Again Saints of the
real Church of God are raised up from the dead, and those that are
alive will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye and all brought
straight into heaven. That is when you will have to worry, or maybe
not. The very first war of those seven years will take place and if
you are lucky you might survive, only to face the troubles that are to
come. But only if you repent from the religion that has you bound and
turn to Jesus, the real Jesus, for salvation. At that time you will
know that the church never saved you and never could, unless you yield
to the false prophet that side with the antichrist.

Well, you refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus, so I suspect it is you
following the antichrist.

Like I said, you need to repent.

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Eze 3:18  When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his
wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Eze 3:19  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.

Daniel 12:2New International Version (NIV)
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting
life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

See how you pull out scriptures willy nilly and seldom in context?
That has to do with the white throne Judgment in revelations.

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It's takes a wicked man to refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, don't
you think.

I know, yet you too could be redeemed if you would listen to him.

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the dukester, American-American

the dukester, American-American

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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
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[Robert]

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And Jesus well stated no man knew the date, not even he but only the Father. My
guess is sometime in the next 8 billion years.

And just what has that to do with the price of tea in china?

[duke]

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And Jesus well stated no man knew the date, not even he but only the Father. My
guess is sometime in the next 8 billion years.

And just what has that to do with the price of tea in china?

That the end times is a joke between your ears.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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[Robert]

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And Jesus well stated no man knew the date, not even he but only the Father. My
guess is sometime in the next 8 billion years.

And just what has that to do with the price of tea in china?

That the end times is a joke between your ears.

Luk 17:26  And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in
the days of the Son of man. 
Luk 17:27  They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were
given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and
the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[duke]

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And Jesus well stated no man knew the date, not even he but only the Father. My
guess is sometime in the next 8 billion years.

And just what has that to do with the price of tea in china?

That the end times is a joke between your ears.

Luk 17:26  And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in
the days of the Son of man. 
Luk 17:27  They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were
given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and
the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[Robert]

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And Jesus well stated no man knew the date, not even he but only the Father. My
guess is sometime in the next 8 billion years.

And just what has that to do with the price of tea in china?

That the end times is a joke between your ears.

Luk 17:26  And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in
the days of the Son of man. 
Luk 17:27  They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were
given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and
the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

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the dukester, American-American

[duke]

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And Jesus well stated no man knew the date, not even he but only the Father. My
guess is sometime in the next 8 billion years.

And just what has that to do with the price of tea in china?

That the end times is a joke between your ears.

Luk 17:26  And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in
the days of the Son of man. 
Luk 17:27  They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were
given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and
the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[Robert]

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Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

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the dukester, American-American

[PATRICK]

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Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

[Robert]

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Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

So you are defending stupidity?

Do you also agree with his post?

[PATRICK]

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Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

So you are defending stupidity?
Do you also agree with his post?

I am discussing your insult.

[Robert]

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Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

So you are defending stupidity?
Do you also agree with his post?

I am discussing your insult.

Fine, then answer my question, how stupid and a person get and still
breath?

[PATRICK]

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Post by Robert

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Post by Robert

Post by duke
Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

So you are defending stupidity?
Do you also agree with his post?

I am discussing your insult.

Fine, then answer my question, how stupid and a person get and still
breath?

Are you still breathing?
If so, pretty stupid.

[Robert]

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Post by Robert

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Post by Robert

Post by duke
Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

So you are defending stupidity?
Do you also agree with his post?

I am discussing your insult.

Fine, then answer my question, how stupid and a person get and still
breath?

Are you still breathing?
If so, pretty stupid.

LOL, Having problems figuring out how to generate a comeback?
Especially when it didn't apply to the first time?

This shows you to be a humorless bore, but I'd bet your wife has said
that often. :)

[PATRICK]

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Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

So you are defending stupidity?
Do you also agree with his post?

I am discussing your insult.

Fine, then answer my question, how stupid and a person get and still
breath?

Are you still breathing?
If so, pretty stupid.

LOL, Having problems figuring out how to generate a comeback?
Especially when it didn't apply to the first time?
This shows you to be a humorless bore, but I'd bet your wife has said
that often. :)

Do you think Jesus would be proud of your comeback?
BTW, are you still breathing?

[Robert]

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Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

So you are defending stupidity?
Do you also agree with his post?

I am discussing your insult.

Fine, then answer my question, how stupid and a person get and still
breath?

Are you still breathing?
If so, pretty stupid.

LOL, Having problems figuring out how to generate a comeback?
Especially when it didn't apply to the first time?
This shows you to be a humorless bore, but I'd bet your wife has said
that often. :)

Do you think Jesus would be proud of your comeback?
BTW, are you still breathing?

Are you dumber than a rock?

[PATRICK]

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Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

So you are defending stupidity?
Do you also agree with his post?

I am discussing your insult.

Fine, then answer my question, how stupid and a person get and still
breath?

Are you still breathing?
If so, pretty stupid.

LOL, Having problems figuring out how to generate a comeback?
Especially when it didn't apply to the first time?
This shows you to be a humorless bore, but I'd bet your wife has said
that often. :)

Do you think Jesus would be proud of your comeback?
BTW, are you still breathing?

Are you dumber than a rock?

Now, aren't you glad you are saved?
You get to sin, insult others - without any consequence.
You are still going to heaven.
What a lucky guy.
Jesus must be soooo proud.

[Robert]

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Eight make it. How many does scripture say were killed in the flood?

Every living thing.

So the eight that survived were not "living things as well as all the animals?

How stupid can a person get and still breath?
You are evidence of it.

Do you feel that Jesus would approve of your message?
And.... you claim to be "saved...."

So you are defending stupidity?
Do you also agree with his post?

I am discussing your insult.

Fine, then answer my question, how stupid and a person get and still
breath?

Are you still breathing?
If so, pretty stupid.

LOL, Having problems figuring out how to generate a comeback?
Especially when it didn't apply to the first time?
This shows you to be a humorless bore, but I'd bet your wife has said
that often. :)

Do you think Jesus would be proud of your comeback?
BTW, are you still breathing?

Are you dumber than a rock?

Now, aren't you glad you are saved?
You get to sin, insult others - without any consequence.
You are still going to heaven.
What a lucky guy.
Jesus must be soooo proud.

You are so proud. You got to be a full out hypocrite, or you just
proved that you know you are not saved and would like to place the
blame on me. I am to be perfect, without excuse, and you get to poop
on everything you want.

I didn't sin. LOL, have you seen any commandment that says "Thou shalt
not insult"? I haven't either.
Did I have any animus? No, did you?

Did Jesus call people a "whited sepulchre"?