Satan's DNA Lab'? hahaha

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Stephen Korsman

2006-07-12 18:03:19 UTC

How is it you would go to the expense of receiving 3ABN, if you are so
disgusted with it? And what are the names of these Adventist scientists
that you are referring to?

Apart from Ellen White, you mean?

Ellen's statements:

But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of
the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and
beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere.
- Ellen White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 64.

Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The
confused species which God did not create, which were the result of
amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been
amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless
varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.
- Ellen White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 75.

"We do not believe that the quality or degree of inspiration in the writings
of Ellen White is different from that of Scripture." -
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/scripsda.html

God bless,
Stephen
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website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
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"Adventist Scientists claim Amalgamation is possible through DNA
manipulation in the labs of Satan" quoted off a program on 3abn
Adventist TV.called "Satan's DNA Laboratory"
Oh dear . Think of the shame these men are making. The mockery they
make out of the religion they try to defend.
How they uphold doctrines that consider colored races descendants of
cross mating of humans and animals in some sort of
Scientific Lab of the ancients pre flood.
This is surely not credible science.
Where is the evidence in archaeology for these super DNA Labs ?
The thing with these labs is that they are the result of wishful

thinking rather

than based on any objective evidence. and wishful thinking that upholds
racist doctrines is a likely evil.
- Wofgramm

Your comments about "racist doctrines" shows that you do not know
the history and practice of the SDA Church concerning the subject.

Stephen Korsman

2006-07-13 05:21:05 UTC

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"No distinction on account of nationality, race, or caste, is recognized
by God. He is the Maker of all mankind. All men are of one family by
creation, and all are one through redemption. Christ came to demolish
every wall of partition, to throw open every compartment of the temple,
that every soul may have free access to God. . In Christ there is neither
Jew nor Greek, bond nor free. All are brought nigh by His precious
blood." -- Christ's Object

Lessons 386

"The religion of the Bible recognizes no caste or color. It ignores rank,
wealth, worldly honor. God estimates men as men. With Him, character
decides their worth. And we are to recognize the Spirit of Christ in
whomsoever it is revealed." --

2SM 486

"When the Holy Spirit moves upon human minds, all petty complaints
and accusations between man and his fellow man will be put away. The
bright beams of the Sun of Righteousness will shine into the chambers
of the mind and heart. In our worship of God there will be no distinction
between rich and poor, white and black. All prejudice will be melted away.
When we approach God, it will be as one brotherhood. We are pilgrims
and strangers, bound for a better country, even a heavenly. There all

pride,

all accusation, all self-deception, will forever have an end. Every mask

will

be laid aside, and we shall "see him as he is." There our songs will catch
the inspiring theme, and praise and thanksgiving will go up to God."
-- Review and Herald, Oct. 24,

1899 (SM 487)

God might not distinguish between races in that sense, but in a genetic
sense, the god of Ellen White believed that some races were the result of
cross-breeding between humans and animals.

The idea that certain races of non-white people are derived from mating
between animals and humans won't go down well in today's society. Which is
one reason why you won't hear it taught from Adventist pulpits, or hear it
preached in the prophecy seminars you later discovery to be Adventist-run.

This was written by Ellen White (no pun intended on her name) - the
Adventist prophetess, whose inspiration is of the same degree as the
inspiration of the Bible ("We do not believe that the quality or degree of
inspiration in the writings of Ellen White is different from that of
Scripture." - http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/scripsda.html)

Although modern Adventists try to deny that she taught this, it was taught
by some during her time by others, and the teaching was defended by some of
her contemporaries, such as Uriah Smith, with her knowledge. Her husband
even gave Smith's book a glowing review:

The Association has just published a pamphlet entitled, "The Visions of Mrs.
E.G. White, A Manifestation of Spiritual Gifts According to the Scriptures."
It is written by the editor of the Review. While carefully reading the
manuscript, I felt grateful to God that our people could have this able
defense of those views they so much love and prize, which others despise and
oppose.
- James White, Review, Aug. 15, 1868.

Ellen's statements:

But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of
the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and
beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere.
- Ellen White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 64.

Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The
confused species which God did not create, which were the result of
amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been
amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless
varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.
- Ellen White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 75.

Contemoraneous teachings:

...that crosses between men and animals had created a no-man's-land between
man and beast, populated by gorillas, chimpanzees, wild bushmen of Africa,
Patagonians, and Hottentots.
- Gordon Shigley, "Amalgamation of Man and Beast: What Did Ellen White
Mean?", Spectrum, vol. 12, no. 4, p. 13.

... the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the
beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of
animals of one species with the other.
- Jasher 4:18. [Evidence that Ellen White used this as a source can be found
at http://www.ellenwhite.org/refute7.htm]

Uriah Smith's defence:

"Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be
seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain
races of men." This view was given for the purpose of illustrating the deep
corruption and crime into which the race fell, even within a few years after
the flood that signal manifestation of God's wrath against human wickedness.
There was amalgamation; and the effect is still visible in certain races of
men." Mark, those excepting the animals upon whom the effects of this work
are visible, are called by the vision, "men." Now we have ever supposed that
anybody that was called a man, was considered a human being. The vision
speaks of all these classes as races of men; yet in the face of this plain
declaration, they foolishly assert that the visions teach that some men are
not human beings! But does any one deny the general statement contained in
the extract given above? They do not. If they did, they could easily be
silenced by a reference to such cases as the wild Bushmen of Africa, some
tribes of the Hottentots, and perhaps the Digger Indians of our own country,
&c. Moreover, naturalists affirm that the line of demarkation between the
human and animal races is lost in confusion. It is impossible, as they
affirm, to tell just where the human ends and the animal begins. Can we
suppose that this was so ordained of God in the beginning? Rather has not
sin marred the boundaries of these two kingdoms?
- Uriah Smith, The Visions of Mrs. E. G. White, A Manifestation of Spiritual
gifts According to the Scripture, pp. 103-4

Adventism has offered all sorts of ideas that this could refer to - genetic
engineering (since the flood???), interracial marriage (enough of those in
the Bible) or marriage between godly and ungodly people (how does that alter
a race?) - but the evidence is against these excuses.

More on this racist teaching - http://www.ellenwhite.org/critica.htm

Sad. But truly good that these inspired words of Ellen White are not taken
seriously by her followers.

God bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/

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Whazit Tooyah

2006-07-14 03:10:43 UTC

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Post by Stephen Korsman

Lessons 386

2SM 486

pride,

all accusation, all self-deception, will forever have an end. Every mask

will

be laid aside, and we shall "see him as he is." There our songs will catch
the inspiring theme, and praise and thanksgiving will go up to God."
-- Review and Herald, Oct. 24,

1899 (SM 487)
God might not distinguish between races in that sense, but in a genetic
sense, the god of Ellen White believed that some races were the result of
cross-breeding between humans and animals.
The idea that certain races of non-white people are derived from mating
between animals and humans won't go down well in today's society. Which is
one reason why you won't hear it taught from Adventist pulpits, or hear it
preached in the prophecy seminars you later discovery to be Adventist-run.
This was written by Ellen White (no pun intended on her name) - the
Adventist prophetess, whose inspiration is of the same degree as the
inspiration of the Bible ("We do not believe that the quality or degree of
inspiration in the writings of Ellen White is different from that of
Scripture." - http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/scripsda.html)
Although modern Adventists try to deny that she taught this, it was taught
by some during her time by others, and the teaching was defended by some of
her contemporaries, such as Uriah Smith, with her knowledge. Her husband
The Association has just published a pamphlet entitled, "The Visions of Mrs.
E.G. White, A Manifestation of Spiritual Gifts According to the Scriptures."
It is written by the editor of the Review. While carefully reading the
manuscript, I felt grateful to God that our people could have this able
defense of those views they so much love and prize, which others despise and
oppose.
- James White, Review, Aug. 15, 1868.
But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of
the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and
beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere.
- Ellen White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 64.
Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The
confused species which God did not create, which were the result of
amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been
amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless
varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.
- Ellen White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 75.
...that crosses between men and animals had created a no-man's-land between
man and beast, populated by gorillas, chimpanzees, wild bushmen of Africa,
Patagonians, and Hottentots.
- Gordon Shigley, "Amalgamation of Man and Beast: What Did Ellen White
Mean?", Spectrum, vol. 12, no. 4, p. 13.
... the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the
beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of
animals of one species with the other.
- Jasher 4:18. [Evidence that Ellen White used this as a source can be found
at http://www.ellenwhite.org/refute7.htm]
"Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be
seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain
races of men." This view was given for the purpose of illustrating the deep
corruption and crime into which the race fell, even within a few years after
the flood that signal manifestation of God's wrath against human wickedness.
There was amalgamation; and the effect is still visible in certain races of
men." Mark, those excepting the animals upon whom the effects of this work
are visible, are called by the vision, "men." Now we have ever supposed that
anybody that was called a man, was considered a human being. The vision
speaks of all these classes as races of men; yet in the face of this plain
declaration, they foolishly assert that the visions teach that some men are
not human beings! But does any one deny the general statement contained in
the extract given above? They do not. If they did, they could easily be
silenced by a reference to such cases as the wild Bushmen of Africa, some
tribes of the Hottentots, and perhaps the Digger Indians of our own country,
&c. Moreover, naturalists affirm that the line of demarkation between the
human and animal races is lost in confusion. It is impossible, as they
affirm, to tell just where the human ends and the animal begins. Can we
suppose that this was so ordained of God in the beginning? Rather has not
sin marred the boundaries of these two kingdoms?
- Uriah Smith, The Visions of Mrs. E. G. White, A Manifestation of Spiritual
gifts According to the Scripture, pp. 103-4
Adventism has offered all sorts of ideas that this could refer to - genetic
engineering (since the flood???), interracial marriage (enough of those in
the Bible) or marriage between godly and ungodly people (how does that alter
a race?) - but the evidence is against these excuses.
More on this racist teaching - http://www.ellenwhite.org/critica.htm
Sad. But truly good that these inspired words of Ellen White are not taken
seriously by her followers.

This work is of God, or it is not. God does nothing in partnership with
Satan. My work for the past thirty years bears the stamp of God or the stamp
of the enemy. There is no halfway work in the matter. The Testimonies are of
the Spirit of God, or of the devil. [Testimonies for the Church vol. 4 pg.
229]

She said it, there are no two ways about it. Think about all of the things
she wrote that time has proven to be in error. Amalgamation between men and
animals defacing the image of God; wigs causing low morals and insanity,
masturbation causing a whole host of problems; The Sabbath being the seal of
God while the Bible says that the seal of God is the Holy Spirit; the soon
coming Sunday laws of a hundred years ago that have faded away; etc. Add to
this her well documented plagiarism and her lies about doing it, (called
borrowing in SDA writings.) Were her errors, plagiarism and lies inspired by
God? Think for yourself and decide; she admitted to only two possible
sources for all she wrote.

--
WT

By this all men will know that you are My disciples,
if you have love for one another

Stephen Korsman

2006-07-14 05:01:06 UTC