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The weekly Sabbath - sunset to sunset
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Stephen Korsman
2006-05-28 23:03:41 UTC
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Hi

Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?

Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This explains why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." Leviticus
23:32."

Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th day
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote from
Amazing Facts.

God bless,
Stephen
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Zadok
2006-05-29 00:09:14 UTC
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"Stephen Korsman" <> wrote in message
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Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
If you read the verses in context, you can follow it easily.

Verse 27 tells you that the 10th day of the seventh month is the day of
atonement.

And the HIGH Sabbath of the 10th, starts at evening on the ninth.

Got it yet. from evening on the ninth to evening on the tenth is the tenth.

Therefore your resoning about the ninth has nothing to do with the weekly
sabbath.

Get real clown!!
Whazit Tooyah
2006-05-29 01:41:19 UTC
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Post by Stephen Korsman
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall
afflict
Post by Stephen Korsman
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
If you read the verses in context, you can follow it easily.
Verse 27 tells you that the 10th day of the seventh month is the day of
atonement.
And the HIGH Sabbath of the 10th, starts at evening on the ninth.
Got it yet. from evening on the ninth to evening on the tenth is the tenth.
Therefore your resoning about the ninth has nothing to do with the weekly
sabbath.
Get real clown!!
Exactly his point, there is nothing in the Bible that commands a weekly
Sabbath to be observed from sundown to sundown, yet SDAs follow that as if
it were taught in the Ten Commandments. According to one SDA book I
recently read, anything beyond the Ten Commandments is part of the Law of
Moses and has been nailed to the cross. The hypocrisy of SDA teaching re:
the Sabbath and the Law is glaringly obvious to anyone but an SDA

WT
Zadok
2006-05-29 02:14:14 UTC
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Exactly his point, there is nothing in the Bible that commands a weekly
Sabbath to be observed from sundown to sundown, yet SDAs follow that as if
it were taught in the Ten Commandments. According to one SDA book I
recently read, anything beyond the Ten Commandments is part of the Law of
the Sabbath and the Law is glaringly obvious to anyone but an SDA
That is where you are wrong!!

Genesis 1: 5 tells us that the darkness and the light were the first day.

And the Jews have followed that from the beginning. It doesn't have anything
to do with the SDA!! It's directly from the bible.

And Leviticus 23: 32 backs that up. From Evening to Evening.

It's exactly the same with the Jews to this day. The Sabbath runs from
darkness on Friday night to darkness on Saturday night.

Listen, glad I could teach you something!!

Smile.
Whazit Tooyah
2006-05-29 19:00:06 UTC
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"Whazit Tooyah" <> wrote in message >
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Exactly his point, there is nothing in the Bible that commands a weekly
Sabbath to be observed from sundown to sundown, yet SDAs follow that as if
it were taught in the Ten Commandments. According to one SDA book I
recently read, anything beyond the Ten Commandments is part of the Law of
the Sabbath and the Law is glaringly obvious to anyone but an SDA
That is where you are wrong!!
Genesis 1: 5 tells us that the darkness and the light were the first day.
And the Jews have followed that from the beginning. It doesn't have anything
to do with the SDA!! It's directly from the bible.
And Leviticus 23: 32 backs that up. From Evening to Evening.
It's exactly the same with the Jews to this day. The Sabbath runs from
darkness on Friday night to darkness on Saturday night.
Listen, glad I could teach you something!!
Smile.
You still haven't shown where the weekly Sabbath is commanded to be observed
from sundown to sundown. Leviticus is specifically about the day of
atonement, not the weekly Sabbath. Besides that is part of the Law of Moses
that has been nailed to the cross ;-) Following Jewish tradition is just
that, following a tradition, not a commandment of God.

WT
Whazit Tooyah
2006-05-29 01:46:40 UTC
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Post by Stephen Korsman
Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This explains why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." Leviticus
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th day
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote from
Amazing Facts.
God bless,
Stephen
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Thanks to Bills Gates and Microsoft, you too can have a cut and paste Bible
to conform the word to your beliefs and practices. Once again EGW has been
shown to be years, dare I say decades, ahead of her time

Tongue firmly in cheek
WT
Stephen Korsman
2006-05-29 05:03:22 UTC
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Post by Stephen Korsman
Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This explains why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." Leviticus
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th day
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote from
Amazing Facts.
God bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
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Thanks to Bills Gates and Microsoft, you too can have a cut and paste Bible
to conform the word to your beliefs and practices. Once again EGW has been
shown to be years, dare I say decades, ahead of her time
Tongue firmly in cheek
She was also ahead of her time, I've been told, in her understanding that
masturbation causes tuberculosis.

God bless,
Stephen
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Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
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I. B. Wonderin
2006-05-29 09:12:39 UTC
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Post by Stephen Korsman
Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This explains why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." Leviticus
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th day
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote from
Amazing Facts.
The Day of Atonement was a Ceremonial Sabbath as the text shows...

The text demonstrates when the Sabbaths of the Lord begin -- Sundown.

That's how God created the days. Evening and morning, each one. See Gen
1

Why did the Soldiers come to break Jesus' and the two thieves legs and
hasten their deaths, (although Jesus was already dead)? See John 19:31
also Deut 21:22-23


Why were they in such a rush to get Jesus body down from the cross and
get him to the tomb?
Mat 27:57-58 .


Why didn't they finish preparing his body for burial? But have to come
back in the early hours of the first day of the week to do so?

Because the evening was drawing on bringing Sundown and with it the
Sabbath day of rest.

"And they rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment"
Post by Stephen Korsman
God bless,
Stephen
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Stephen Korsman
2006-05-29 17:43:15 UTC
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Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall
afflict
Post by Stephen Korsman
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto
even,
Post by Stephen Korsman
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This
explains why
Post by Stephen Korsman
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a
sabbath of
Post by Stephen Korsman
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath."
Leviticus
Post by Stephen Korsman
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th
day
Post by Stephen Korsman
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote
from
Post by Stephen Korsman
Amazing Facts.
The Day of Atonement was a Ceremonial Sabbath as the text shows...
The text demonstrates when the Sabbaths of the Lord begin -- Sundown.
Actually, that is an extrapolation. Not necessarily an invalid one, but an
extrapolation nonetheless.
Post by Stephen Korsman
That's how God created the days. Evening and morning, each one. See Gen
1
Why did the Soldiers come to break Jesus' and the two thieves legs and
hasten their deaths, (although Jesus was already dead)? See John 19:31
also Deut 21:22-23
Why were they in such a rush to get Jesus body down from the cross and
get him to the tomb?
Mat 27:57-58 .
Why didn't they finish preparing his body for burial? But have to come
back in the early hours of the first day of the week to do so?
Because the evening was drawing on bringing Sundown and with it the
Sabbath day of rest.
"And they rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment"
They were Jews.

God bless,
Stephen
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Arinté
2006-05-29 15:27:23 UTC
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In the paragraph you are referring to it seems they are trying to explain
the definition of a day is from sunset to sunset not midnight to midnight.
It seems to me that they could have used better wording in the sentence
before. But those who trying to gain an understanding and not critized it
would make sense..
Post by Stephen Korsman
Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This explains why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." Leviticus
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th day
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote from
Amazing Facts.
God bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
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Stephen Korsman
2006-05-29 17:41:53 UTC
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Post by Arinté
In the paragraph you are referring to it seems they are trying to explain
the definition of a day is from sunset to sunset not midnight to midnight.
True.
Post by Arinté
It seems to me that they could have used better wording in the sentence
before.
They could have. And Adventists who defend them shouldn't claim it does
indeed refer to the weekly Sabbath.
Post by Arinté
But those who trying to gain an understanding and not critized it
would make sense..
Then they shouldn't use a text applying to the Day of Atonement to make
something up regarding the Sabbath that really isn't necessary.

God bless,
Stephen
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Post by Arinté
Post by Stephen Korsman
Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This explains why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." Leviticus
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th day
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote from
Amazing Facts.
God bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
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JohnSDA
2006-06-08 15:25:03 UTC
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If it the 9th day is on the 7th day of the week.
Post by Stephen Korsman
Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This explains why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." Leviticus
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th day
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote from
Amazing Facts.
God bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
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Stephen Korsman
2006-06-08 18:00:44 UTC
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If it the 9th day is on the 7th day of the week.
No, actually, irrespective of whether the 9th day of the 7th month is on the
7th day of the week or not. Every year - it didn't matter which day it was
on.

God bless,
Stephen
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Post by JohnSDA
Post by Stephen Korsman
Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This explains why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a sabbath of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." Leviticus
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th day
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote from
Amazing Facts.
God bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
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JohnSDA
2006-06-08 22:35:06 UTC
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Post by JohnSDA
If it the 9th day is on the 7th day of the week.
No, actually, irrespective of whether the 9th day of the 7th month is on the
7th day of the week or not. Every year - it didn't matter which day it was
on.
God bless,
Stephen
Stephen, I've already showed you that there were Festival Sabbaths.
That is stated clearly in Lev.
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Post by JohnSDA
Post by Stephen Korsman
Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This
explains
why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a
sabbath
of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath."
Leviticus
Post by JohnSDA
Post by Stephen Korsman
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th
day
Post by JohnSDA
Post by Stephen Korsman
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote
from
Post by JohnSDA
Post by Stephen Korsman
Amazing Facts.
God bless,
Stephen
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website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
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Stephen Korsman
2006-06-09 14:10:34 UTC
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If it the 9th day is on the 7th day of the week.
No, actually, irrespective of whether the 9th day of the 7th month is on the
7th day of the week or not. Every year - it didn't matter which day it was
on.
God bless,
Stephen
Stephen, I've already showed you that there were Festival Sabbaths.
That is stated clearly in Lev.
Nobody denies that there are festivals that were called Sabbaths. But this
particular verse does not refer to the weekly Sabbath. It never has, and it
never will. Whether the 9th day of the month and the 7th day of the week
coincide does not change that.

God bless,
Stephen
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website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
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Post by JohnSDA
Post by Stephen Korsman
Hi
Does this refer to the weekly Sabbath?
Lev 23:32 KJV It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict
your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even,
shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Adventism says yes -
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Media.asp?ID=652 - "This
explains
why
the Sabbath is described in these words, "It shall be unto you a
sabbath
of
rest, ... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath."
Leviticus
Post by JohnSDA
Post by Stephen Korsman
23:32."
Lev 23:27-32 says it refers to the day beginning at the end of the 9th
day
Post by JohnSDA
Post by Stephen Korsman
of the 7th month. Notice the convenient deletion in the above quote
from
Post by JohnSDA
Post by Stephen Korsman
Amazing Facts.
God bless,
Stephen
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Andrew
2006-06-09 22:25:19 UTC
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Post by JohnSDA
Stephen, I've already showed you that there were Festival Sabbaths.
That is stated clearly in Lev.
Nobody denies that there are festivals that were called Sabbaths. But this
particular verse does not refer to the weekly Sabbath. It never has, and it
never will. Whether the 9th day of the month and the 7th day of the week
coincide does not change that.
God bless,
Stephen
When you surrender your heart and life to the Savior, the legalistic mindset
will evaporate in the sunlight of His love and mercy. Then His law will have
its rightful place in your understanding, because it will be seen from the light
of Jesus Christ..who is the Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22).

Then you will not be at war against the Sabbath of the Lord, because your
heart will be surrendered to the Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8).When
one makes war against the Sabbath that Jesus has given us, they are fight-
ing against Him who is the Maker of heaven and earth - they will not prevail.


Andrew
Stephen Korsman
2006-06-10 04:10:26 UTC
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Post by JohnSDA
Stephen, I've already showed you that there were Festival Sabbaths.
That is stated clearly in Lev.
Nobody denies that there are festivals that were called Sabbaths. But this
particular verse does not refer to the weekly Sabbath. It never has, and it
never will. Whether the 9th day of the month and the 7th day of the week
coincide does not change that.
God bless,
Stephen
When you surrender your heart and life to the Savior, the legalistic mindset
will evaporate in the sunlight of His love and mercy. Then His law will have
its rightful place in your understanding, because it will be seen from the light
of Jesus Christ..who is the Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22).
He replaced that law with a greater law. I've provided the evidence, but
you refuse to discuss it.
Post by Andrew
Then you will not be at war against the Sabbath of the Lord, because your
heart will be surrendered to the Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8).When
one makes war against the Sabbath that Jesus has given us, they are fight-
ing against Him who is the Maker of heaven and earth - they will not prevail.
Jesus rose from the dead on the 8th day. We celebrate that - a far greater
creation, and a far greater freeing from sin than Exodus.

God bless,
Stephen
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Andrew
2006-06-10 11:41:40 UTC
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Post by Andrew
When you surrender your heart and life to the Savior, the legalistic mindset
will evaporate in the sunlight of His love and mercy. Then His law will have
its rightful place in your understanding, because it will be seen from the light
of Jesus Christ..who IS the Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22).
He replaced that law with a greater law.
He showed that His law was not legalism but love codified, and that we must
be born again, thus having the law written on our hearts according to the new
covenant promise.

"I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will
be their God and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10.

To say that He "replaced" the Decalogue, which was His law of love codified,
would be to say that His law was *imperfect.* But we are specifically told that
His law of love codified (the Decalogue) IS perfect. "The law of the LORD is
perfect, converting the soul." Ps 19:7.

No, God did not change His mind and replace His law. He did exactly as was
prophesied that He would. He magnified it and made it honorable, as should
we if we love Him.

"The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; He will
magnify the law, and make it honorable." Isa 42:21.

That's exactly what He did throughout His life and in all of His teachings.
Therefore let us not war against His law, for then we would be fighting
against Him who is our Maker and our Redeemer.


Andrew
Stephen Korsman
2006-06-10 17:07:34 UTC
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Post by Andrew
When you surrender your heart and life to the Savior, the legalistic mindset
will evaporate in the sunlight of His love and mercy. Then His law will have
its rightful place in your understanding, because it will be seen from the light
of Jesus Christ..who IS the Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22).
He replaced that law with a greater law.
He showed that His law was not legalism but love codified, and that we must
be born again, thus having the law written on our hearts according to the new
covenant promise.
"I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will
be their God and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10.
A new law.
Post by Andrew
To say that He "replaced" the Decalogue, which was His law of love codified,
would be to say that His law was *imperfect.*
That is what the Bible says. The perfect law that was summarised by the
Decalogue is now in our hearts.

2Co 3:7-9 KJV But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in
stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly
behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was
to be done away: (8) How shall not the ministration of the spirit be
rather glorious? (9) For if the ministration of condemnation be glory,
much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Heb 8:6-7 KJV But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how
much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established
upon better promises. (7) For if that first covenant had been faultless,
then should no place have been sought for the second.
Post by Andrew
But we are specifically told that
His law of love codified (the Decalogue) IS perfect. "The law of the LORD is
perfect, converting the soul." Ps 19:7.
That text doesn't say Decalogue. The perfect law that was summarised by the
Decalogue is now in our hearts.
Post by Andrew
No, God did not change His mind and replace His law.
He didn't change his mind - it was his plan all along.
Post by Andrew
He did exactly as was
prophesied that He would. He magnified it and made it honorable, as should
we if we love Him.
"The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; He will
magnify the law, and make it honorable." Isa 42:21.
That's exactly what He did throughout His life and in all of His teachings.
Therefore let us not war against His law, for then we would be fighting
against Him who is our Maker and our Redeemer.
We're not fighting against his law. We just don't keep yours.

Please answer this, Andrew, if you can:

You are studying with preconceived notions about the law, thinking it is
divided up into commandments and ordinanances etc. Yet the 10 commandments
are also called ordinances, and the Mosaic law is referred to as
commandments.

Lev 27:34 KJV These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses
for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

This refers to the law of Moses.

Deu 5:1 KJV And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O
Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that
ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

This is right before the 10 Commandments.

Eze 20:18-21 KJV But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye
not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor
defile yourselves with their idols: (19) I am the LORD your God; walk in
my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; (20) And hallow my
sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that
I am the LORD your God. (21) Notwithstanding the children rebelled against
me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them,
which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths:
then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger
against them in the wilderness.

The Sabbath is an ordinance?

Lev 19:37 KJV Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my
judgments, and do them: I am the LORD.

Includes commands from the 10 Commandments AND the rest, lumping them all
together into statutes and judgements.

Deu 6:24-25 KJV And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear
the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as
it is at this day. (25) And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe
to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded
us.

"These commandments" are "these statutes" and God commanded them.

Animal sacrifices - are they the law of Moses, or the law of God?

Luk 2:23 KJV (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that
openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)

2Ch 31:3 KJV He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the
burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and
the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set
feasts, as it is written in the law of the LORD.

"Honour your father and your mother" - the law of Moses, or the law of God?

Mar 7:10 KJV For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso
curseth father or mother, let him die the death

Can you explain these to me? Surely these passages have got their terms
mixed up?

And is the Torah the book of the law of Moses, or the book of the law of
God?

Neh 8:1 KJV And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into
the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the
scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded
to Israel.

Neh 8:18 KJV Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read
in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on
the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.

God bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
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