On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:19:25 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
Post by Stephen KorsmanA lot of laws are no longer kept. Circumcision, for one. The Mosaic Law is
no longer necessary for Christians, and that includes the Sabbath. (The 10
Commandments fall under the Mosaic Law, as the Bible says. While they are a
summary of the moral principles that remain part of the New Law of love, as
a legal code they are no longer a binding entity. Both the Bible and
Catholicism teach this, contrary to the claims of Andrew.)
Aren't the Ten Commandments apart from the Mosaic Laws? (Or cerimonial
laws, I don't remember the right term, maybe I'm confusing it).
No, that's what the Adventists teach. The 10 Commandments are part of the
Mosaic Law, and the ceremonial laws are part of the Mosaic Law, and the
other commandments on morality are part of the Mosaic Law, and so are the
civil laws.
The Ten Commandments were written directly by God in stone, and the
two tablets were kept inside the Holy Ark (or Alliance Ark, or
whatever is called, excuse me my memory failure), and the laws Moses
has written outside the ark? Also, aren't the Ten Commandments always
true? God doesn't change. It wil always be wrong and sinful to murder
someone, for example.
The principles behind them are eternal. The legal code they belong to is
not. The Old Testament explicitly states that the 10 Commandments are part
of the Old Covenant. Today we live under the New Covenant. We still live
morally, but under a new law.
Andrew refused to discuss the biblical aspects of this issue, and instead
claimed that I don't know what Catholicism teaches, and am contradicting it.
Since I've provided evidence that I'm not, he has avoided the topic
altogether. It has become a tiresome topic.
Sure, there are laws that ceased to have effect: God didn't change,
but made them with a purpose that could prescribe. For example: we
don't sacrifice lambs and goats anymore. And we don't have to, because
Jesus was the last lamb, the one that saves us all. When He died,
certain unnatural events happened, that shown that these cerimonial
the Messiah profecy.
But exactly the same is true of the Sabbath, according to the Bible. Col
2:16 explicitly states that the weekly Sabbath is a shadow of Christ.
Post by Stephen KorsmanThe Sabbath was replaced by our rest in Christ. Col 2:16 lists the Sabbath,
along with the annual and monthly observances, as a shadow of Christ.
Today
Post by Stephen Korsmanwe celebrate the resurrection of Christ, in whom we find that rest.
But then, my first principle applies: Jesus observed the Sabbath on
Saturdays. Never read about Jesus resting on wednesdays, thursadys,
sundays or whatever. In 33 years of life, that should mean something,
or not?
Jesus was circumcised as well. What does that mean?
What is more interesting is the fact that not once in the entire Bible are
Christians shown to be observing the Sabbath after the resurrection of
Christ, and not once are they commanded to keep the Sabbath. The references
to Christians going somewhere on the Sabbath are all instances of attending
Jewish services, which proves nothing, since non-Christian non-Jewish
Gentiles did the same, simply because it was a good place for discussion.
You can't read Sabbath observance into that, unless you're willing to do the
same for any gathering on any day. The only commentary we get about keeping
the Sabbath is to tell us it's a shadow, and whether or not we keep a
specific day, we serve God by doing so.
You see, I don't want to risk this: S. Mat. 15:9.
So Col 2:16 falls under that definition, and should be taken with a pinch of
salt?
And I believe I should do this: I S. John 2:6, I S. Peter 2:21.
If we take into account the following: S. John 15:10, I S. John 5:3.
I can only conclude that we should still keep His commandments. One of
His commandments is about the Sabbath. And His example was following
the Sabbath.
His example was also keeping Passover, and being circumcised. Are we to
follow those as well? We are to walk as he walked - morally, not according
to the Old Covenant.
If we don't see clear mentions to resting in Sabbath (besides
religious cerimonies), isn't intriguing to me: how many times should
they repeat the Sabbath commandment?
What is intriguing is that they never command it even once, never mind
repeat it. In fact, three times Paul tells us it's unnecessary.
And I think that Jesus' words in those verses were, are nd will be
always true.
Jesus' words are true ... but that doesn't apply to all interpretations of
them.
God bless,
Stephen
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