Post by Stephen Korsmanmating
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanbetween animals and humans won't go down well in today's society.
Which
is
one reason why you won't hear it taught from Adventist pulpits, or
hear
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanit
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanpreached in the prophecy seminars you later discovery to be
Adventist-run.
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanThis was written by Ellen White (no pun intended on her name) - the
Adventist prophetess, whose inspiration is of the same degree as the
inspiration of the Bible ("We do not believe that the quality or
degree
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanof
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmaninspiration in the writings of Ellen White is different from that of
Scripture." - http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/scripsda.html)
Although modern Adventists try to deny that she taught this, it was
taught
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanby some during her time by others, and the teaching was defended by
some
of
her contemporaries, such as Uriah Smith, with her knowledge. Her
husband
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanThe Association has just published a pamphlet entitled, "The Visions
of
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanMrs.
E.G. White, A Manifestation of Spiritual Gifts According to the Scriptures."
It is written by the editor of the Review. While carefully reading
the
able
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmandefense of those views they so much love and prize, which others
despise
and
oppose.
- James White, Review, Aug. 15, 1868.
But if there was one sin above another which called for the
destruction
and
everywhere.
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsman- Ellen White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 64.
Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the
ark.
The
confused species which God did not create, which were the result of
amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has
been
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanamalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless
varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.
- Ellen White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 75.
...that crosses between men and animals had created a no-man's-land between
man and beast, populated by gorillas, chimpanzees, wild bushmen of
Africa,
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPatagonians, and Hottentots.
- Gordon Shigley, "Amalgamation of Man and Beast: What Did Ellen
White
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanMean?", Spectrum, vol. 12, no. 4, p. 13.
... the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the
earth,
mixture
Post by Stephen Korsmanof
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmananimals of one species with the other.
- Jasher 4:18. [Evidence that Ellen White used this as a source can
be
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanfound
at http://www.ellenwhite.org/refute7.htm]
"Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as
may
Post by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanbe
seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in
certain
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanraces of men." This view was given for the purpose of illustrating
the
years
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanafter
the flood that signal manifestation of God's wrath against human wickedness.
There was amalgamation; and the effect is still visible in certain
races
of
men." Mark, those excepting the animals upon whom the effects of this
work
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanare visible, are called by the vision, "men." Now we have ever
supposed
vision
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanspeaks of all these classes as races of men; yet in the face of this
plain
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmandeclaration, they foolishly assert that the visions teach that some
men
contained
easily
Post by Stephen Korsmanbe
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmansilenced by a reference to such cases as the wild Bushmen of Africa,
some
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmantribes of the Hottentots, and perhaps the Digger Indians of our own country,
&c. Moreover, naturalists affirm that the line of demarkation between
the
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanhuman and animal races is lost in confusion. It is impossible, as
they
Can
Post by Stephen Korsmanwe
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmansuppose that this was so ordained of God in the beginning? Rather has
not
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmansin marred the boundaries of these two kingdoms?
- Uriah Smith, The Visions of Mrs. E. G. White, A Manifestation of Spiritual
gifts According to the Scripture, pp. 103-4
Adventism has offered all sorts of ideas that this could refer to - genetic
engineering (since the flood???), interracial marriage (enough of
those
that
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmanalter
a race?) - but the evidence is against these excuses.
More on this racist teaching -
http://www.ellenwhite.org/critica.htm
not
Post by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanPost by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen Korsmantaken
seriously by her followers.
God bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
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I would spend more time answering your post, but I have to go feed my
amalgamated cat/dog. Plays fetch, greets me when I come home, but
hasn't
twitches
Post by Whazit TooyahPost by Stephen KorsmanI hope you're not feeding an amalgamated beast on the Sabbath!!
Absolutely not. But you will never believe how hard it is to find
certified
Post by Whazit Tooyahkosher amalgamated cat/dog food.
Can you see that this cat/dog is amalgamated by due to its pagan religious
beliefs?
Can you define amalgamation by any dictionary or reference book - as animals
and humans having offspring together?
NOPE!
Can you even find that definition of yours in EGW's writings?
NOPE! You have to twist what she said, and make despot claims which all her
other writings don't support.
I'll leave you with the following to ponder and attack:
blessings!!!!
Jesus was tempted in all points like as we are, that He might know how
to succor those who should be tempted. His life is our example. He shows by
His willing obedience that man may keep the law of God and that
transgression of the law, not obedience to it, brings him into bondage. The
Saviour was full of compassion and love; He never spurned the truly
penitent, however great their guilt; but He severely denounced hypocrisy of
every sort. He is acquainted with the sins of men, He knows all their acts
and reads their secret motives; yet He does not turn away from them in their
iniquity. He pleads and reasons with the sinner, and in one sense -- that of
having Himself borne the weakness of humanity -- He puts Himself on a level
with him. "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your
sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like
crimson, they shall be as wool." {4T 294.1}
Man, who has defaced the image of God in his soul by a corrupt life,
cannot, by mere human effort, effect a radical change in himself. He must
accept the provisions of the gospel; he must be reconciled to God through
obedience to His law and faith in Jesus Christ. His life from thenceforth
must be governed by a new principle. Through repentance, faith, and good
works he may perfect a righteous character, and claim, through the merits of
Christ, the privileges of the sons of God. The principles of divine truth,
received and cherished in the heart, will carry us to a height of moral
excellence that we had not deemed it possible for us to reach. "And it doth
not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we
shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is. And every man that hath
this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as He is pure." {4T 294.2}
Here is a work for man to do. He must face the mirror, God's law,
discern the defects in his moral character, and put away his sins, washing
his robe of character in the blood of the Lamb. Envy, pride, malice, deceit,
strife, and crime will be cleansed from the heart that is a recipient of the
love of Christ and that cherishes the hope of being made like Him when we
shall see Him as He is. The religion of Christ refines and dignifies its
possessor, whatever his associations or station in life may be. Men who
become enlightened Christians rise above the level of their former character
into greater mental and moral strength. Those fallen and degraded by sin and
crime may, through the merits of the Saviour, be exalted to a position but
little lower than that of the angels. {4T 294.3}
But the influence of a gospel hope will not lead the sinner to look
upon the salvation of Christ as a matter of free grace, while he continues
to live in transgression of the law of God. When the light of truth dawns
upon his mind and he fully understands the requirements of God and realizes
the extent of his transgressions, he will reform his ways, become loyal to
God through the strength obtained from his Saviour, and lead a new and purer
life. {4T 295.1}
November 27, 1884 Noah's Time and Ours.
-
By Mrs. E. G. White.
-
In the days of Noah "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in
the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only
evil continually." "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was
filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was
corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said
unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled
with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the
earth." This is an accurate description of the generation that perished in
the waters of the flood; for it was written by inspiration. {ST, November
27, 1884 par. 1}
"God saw that the wickedness of man was great," and that the "earth was
filled with violence." Lawlessness was rife. God had given men his
commandments as a rule of life; but the fear of God had well-nigh died out
of their hearts. His law was transgressed, and almost every conceivable sin
was the result. The wickedness of men was open and daring, and the cries of
the oppressed reached to Heaven. Justice was trampled in the dust. The
strong not only disregarded the rights of the weak, but forced them to
commit deeds of violence and crime. {ST, November 27, 1884 par. 2}
The same characteristics prevail in our day. Crimes as grievous, as
black and terrible, are perpetrated. How many men in high positions, who
have been honored as men of talent and integrity, have proved themselves
unworthy to be trusted. How many such persons have been detected in fraud,
bribery, theft, and even murder. Take up the secular papers, and read the
accounts of murder. Many of these crimes are so cold-blooded and causeless
that it seems as though men kill one another merely from impulse or for
amusement. And these atrocities have become of such common occurrence that
they hardly elicit a comment or awaken surprise. They are looked upon as a
matter of course, as evils that must be endured. {ST, November 27, 1884 par.
3}
Before the flood the wickedness of man was great; but this was not all.
"Every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
The purposes and desires of the heart were corrupt from day to day. {ST,
November 27, 1884 par. 4}
Men sometimes flatter themselves that in this enlightened age they are
superior in knowledge and talents to those who lived before the flood; but
those who think this do not rightly estimate the physical and mental
strength of that long-lived race. Growth was slow and firm. Men did not, as
at the present time, flash into maturity early, use up their vital forces,
and only live out half their days. Their minds were of a high order, and
were strong and clear. Had these men, with their rare powers to conceive and
execute, devoted themselves to the service of God, they would have made
their Creator's name a praise in the earth, and would have answered the
purpose for which he gave them being. But they failed to do this. Man
corrupted his way on the earth. There were many giants, men of great stature
and strength, renowned for wisdom, skillful in devising the most cunning and
wonderful work; but in proportion to their skill and mental ability was
their great guilt because of unbridled iniquity. They were apostates from
God, and were cruel and oppressive to those who were not able to resist
them. {ST, November 27, 1884 par. 5}
God bestowed upon these antediluvians many and rich gifts; but they
used his bounties to glorify themselves, and turned them into a curse by
fixing their thoughts and affections upon the gifts instead of the Giver.
They had goodly trees of great variety and almost without limit; but of
these they made temples, where they reveled in scenes of pleasure and
wickedness. Gold, silver, and precious stones were in abundance, but they
used these also to gratify the desires of their own proud hearts. {ST,
November 27, 1884 par. 6}
These sinful men could not deny the existence of God; but they would
have been glad to know that there was no God to witness their deeds, and
call them to an account. They delighted to put him out of their minds and
hearts. The children were not taught to fear and reverence their Maker. They
grew up unrestrained in their desires; and were without principle or
conscience. Their minds were absorbed in devising means to rival one another
in pleasure and vice. This world was all the Heaven these people wanted.
They were slaves to appetite and passion, and the indulgence of every wish
was their ambition. They were hasty and violent, and would bear no
contradiction. Everything that interfered with their desires was bitterly
hated, and quickly moved out of the way. {ST, November 27, 1884 par. 7}
Yet the whole world was not corrupt. There were faithful witnesses for
God. Methuselah, Enoch, Noah, and many others labored to keep alive on the
earth the knowledge of the true God, and to stay the tide of moral evil. God
declared that his Spirit should not always strive with guilty men, but that
their probation should be a hundred and twenty years; if they did not then
cease to pollute with their sins the world and its rich treasures, he would
blot them from his creation; and these faithful ministers of righteousness
gave the warning message to the world. But the light was not heeded; and the
preaching of Noah and his co-laborers impressed hearts less and less. Many,
even of the worshipers of God, were beguiled into sin by the bewitching
allurements which were constantly before them, and lost their peculiar, holy
character. They had not sufficient moral power to stand against the
corrupting influences of the age. {ST, November 27, 1884 par. 8}
By their obstinate resistance to the reproofs of conscience and the
warnings of God's prophets, that generation filled up the measure of their
iniquity, and became ripe for destruction. The patience of God was
exhausted, and he determined to manifest his justice in the utter extinction
of the sinful race, who had given themselves up to the almost unrestrained
control of Satan. Because mankind had perverted his gifts, he would deface
and destroy the things with which he had delighted to bless them; he would
sweep away the beasts of the field, and the rich vegetation which furnished
such an abundant supply of food, and transform the fair earth into one vast
scene of desolation and ruin. {ST, November 27, 1884 par. 9}
Is not this picture of the antediluvian world reproduced in our time?
Man has not grown more pure and holy since the days of Noah. His heart has
not changed; it is still "deceitful above all things, and desperately
wicked." The intense worldliness of that generation is exceeded by that of
the generation now living. Money is lavishly spent for costly houses, fine
horses and carriages, and other expensive articles for luxury and display,
while the poor suffer for food and clothing. God intrusts means to his
stewards that they may prevent heart-sickening poverty with its attendant
ignorance and wretchedness; but they do not realize their duty to their
fellow-men. The fear of God is banished from their hearts, and his law is
treated with indifference and neglect. {ST, November 27, 1884 par. 10}
Said Christ, "As in the days that were before the flood they were
eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that
Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them
all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." God did not
condemn the antediluvians for eating and drinking; he had given them the
fruits of the earth in great abundance to supply their physical wants. Their
sin consisted in taking these gifts without gratitude to the Giver, and
debasing themselves by indulging appetite without restraint. {ST, November
27, 1884 par. 11}
It was lawful for them to marry. Marriage was in God's order; it was
one of the first institutions which he established. He gave special
directions concerning this ordinance, clothing it with sanctity and beauty;
but these directions were forgotten, and marriage was perverted and made to
minister to passion. The pious mingled with the depraved, and became like
them in spirit and in deeds. "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that
they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." {ST,
November 27, 1884 par. 12}
A similar state of things exists now in relation to marriage. Marriages
are formed between the godly and the ungodly because inclination governs in
the selection of husband or wife. The parties do not ask counsel of God, nor
have his glory in view. Christianity ought to have a controlling,
sanctifying influence upon the marriage relation; but husband and wife are
not united by Christian principle; uncontrolled passion lies at the
foundation of many of the marriages that are contracted at the present time.
{ST, November 27, 1884 par. 13}
In Noah's day there were men who laughed to scorn his words of warning.
They said that there were fixed laws in nature, which made a flood
impossible; that Noah was crazy on this subject, and if there were any truth
in what he said, the men of renown, the wise, the prudent, the great men,
would understand the matter. There was total disbelief in Noah's testimony
in regard to the coming judgments; but this unbelief did not prevent or
hinder the coming storm. At the appointed time, "the fountains of the great
deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened," and the earth
was washed of its corruption. Only those who found shelter in the ark were
saved. {ST, November 27, 1884 par. 14}
Reader, another storm is coming. The earth will again be swept by the
desolating wrath of God; and again sin and sinners will be destroyed. Do you
feel that it is an event of little importance? Read some of the utterances
of the prophets in reference to the day of God: "Behold, the day cometh that
shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly,
shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord
of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." "Alas for the
day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the
Almighty shall it come." "The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and
hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord. The mighty man shall
cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and
distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and
gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness." {ST, November 27, 1884 par.
15}
But though this is a day of trouble and distress to the wicked, the
righteous will be able to say, "Lo, this is our God;" "we have waited for
him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation." The truth will be their
shield and buckler. God will be their refuge, and under his wings shall they
trust. Says the psalmist: "Because thou hast made the Lord, who is my
refuge, even the Most High, thy habitation, there shall no evil befall thee,
neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his
angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways."
-
{ST, November 27, 1884 par. 16}
Post by Stephen KorsmanGod bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
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